A lot of people in this thread remind me of when downloads were implemented into the chart. When streaming becomes the most popular way to access music, that is when it should be included in the chart.

 

I predict that streaming will be included in the chart from 2015-2017.

 

The situations are completely different and going by your age, do you really remember what it was like when downloads weren't included? I was your age back then. A download was a sale just like a physical CD therefore it was easy to add them because they were almost the same thing. If you think that we HAVE to accept streaming into the charts at some point, perhaps you can come up with a FAIR way in which to include these plays? If you can't than your argument is flawed.

The situations are completely different and going by your age, do you really remember what it was like when downloads weren't included? I was your age back then. A download was a sale just like a physical CD therefore it was easy to add them because they were almost the same thing. If you think that we HAVE to accept streaming into the charts at some point, perhaps you can come up with a FAIR way in which to include these plays? If you can't than your argument is flawed.

 

More than three full plays of a song would equal an individual sale. ^_^

More than three full plays of a song would equal an individual sale. ^_^

 

So you're saying what? That less than 3 plays and it's not a sale? That 6 plays would be 2? I'm sorry but that's not good enough for me.

So you're saying what? That less than 3 plays and it's not a sale? That 6 plays would be 2? I'm sorry but that's not good enough for me.

 

OK, how about five plays? You're never going to feel happy with what I say so I don't know why I'm bothering. :lol:

 

Actually, three full plays of a song would be good enough! I've listened to Same Love two times tonight and one more full play of it should equal an official sale in my opinion.

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voted NO.

 

Sales chart should just be that, based on sales alone.

 

Streaming should be implemented into the airplay chart though.

As for saying streaming is representative of what people are listening to right now etc...and therefore needs to be included in a sales chart, then maybe you could argue that illegal downloads and shares should be counted too...

 

 

3 plays shouldn't be equal to 1 sale imo. People could just listen to a song over and over just to get it high in the charts. Maybe 50 plays should equal a sale, but one person can only be responsible for 10 streams so that 1D fans don't put their latest single on repeat in an attempt to get it to #1.

 

So if a song sold 30,000 and had 1,500,000 streams it would have 60,000 points. ;)

I was thinking more like an individual person playing the song, but Thermometer's idea could work as well. :P

No, songs will just stay #1 for weeks and weeks like they do in America.

OK, how about five plays? You're never going to feel happy with what I say so I don't know why I'm bothering. :lol:

 

Actually, three full plays of a song would be good enough! I've listened to Same Love two times tonight and one more full play of it should equal an official sale in my opinion.

 

But if you played it 6 times? Would that be like buying it twice?

 

The reason I won't be happy about what you say is because it can't work. Streaming and downloads are not interchangeable no matter what spin you put on it. The chart has always been based on sales and nothing else. It would cheapen the chart.

 

I do quite like the idea of adding streaming to the airplay chart since that's all it really is.

So if this was done, whats stopping the millions of young Justin Bieber fans keeping his songs at number 1 continuosly? If this idea ever happened the charts would become redundant

OK, how about five plays? You're never going to feel happy with what I say so I don't know why I'm bothering. :lol:

 

Actually, three full plays of a song would be good enough! I've listened to Same Love two times tonight and one more full play of it should equal an official sale in my opinion.

But why should it count as a sale if you listen to a song three times on Spotify but not if I listen to a song I have bought?

So if this was done, whats stopping the millions of young Justin Bieber fans keeping his songs at number 1 continuosly? If this idea ever happened the charts would become redundant

They'd have to pay for a subscription to a streaming service, I don't think anyone is suggesting that the equivalent of Spotify Free should count towards the chart.

I don't see the point in paying to use spotify, I can buy the songs I like on Itunes and anything that I can't get on itunes I listen to on youtube for free. Like you could also use spotify to stream a new song to see if you like it, but it turns out you hate it, does that count as a sale/play is it representative of what people are buying or liking?

Bump, talk about streaming sales in here please. I knew there was a topic somewhere.

I'm still 100% against the idea, even if sales did go to 2004 level.

I'm still 100% against the idea, even if sales did go to 2004 level.

 

Why though? Surely you'd want massive sellers instead of small sellers?

Why though? Surely you'd want massive sellers instead of small sellers?

 

Well, the songs aren't selling anything by being streamed, so they'd still be small sellers whether it's included or not.

 

The OCC could maybe try and make a popularity chart like the Hot 100 if they wanted to, and they could run that as a side chart like they do currently with the genre charts, download chart, etc, but the official chart should remain a sales chart imo (and yeah, maybe by the end of the decade sales will be tiny and the official chart will become even more irrelevent, but at least it'll be consistent with the past).

But a streaming chart IS an accurate representation of what people are listening to and buying. :lol: Perhaps not for the songs who aren't put up for streaming, but I'm sure they will when streaming gets bigger.

Why though? Surely you'd want massive sellers instead of small sellers?

What Eric said really. I'd rather the charts reflected what's being bought, and if hardly anyone is buying something, then so be it. The charts always has been a sales chart, if you add streaming you may as well add radio and TV airplay as that's pretty similar to streaming.

 

I don't have a problem with a separate chart - a popularity chart like in the US, as Eric said again - which runs alongside the official chart, but that should never become the official one.

Streaming is not similar to radio or TV airplay because streaming reflects what the public are listening to. If anything, streaming is fairer than selling!