What a rubbish no.1.

 

Edited February 21, 201312 yr by Rob Summers

 

Massive jump for Stay. No.1 next week I imagine. or if not will be sooner or later.

Are One Direction still top of Itunes with One Way or Another in the US? If that's the case then that + gauranteed high YouTube streaming could get them a number one US debut!

Are One Direction still top of Itunes with One Way or Another in the US? If that's the case then that + gauranteed high YouTube streaming could get them a number one US debut!

I think they slipped to 2 last time I checked.

I love how that 'new rule' was literally shoehorned in for the sole reason of having Baauer debut at #1. Seems slightly ridiculous that user-created videos that contain songs now count towards the chart, unless it's only user-made music videos and not just random videos that happen to include music as a soundbed in which case fair enough, as that more or less comes under streaming.

 

Aww at Mumford & Sons missing out on the H100 top 10 - but at least they're back in the top 10 on Digital I guess. Bet they're #11 on the H100 :drama:

 

Are One Direction still top of Itunes with One Way or Another in the US? If that's the case then that + gauranteed high YouTube streaming could get them a number one US debut!

 

They stayed #1 for about 36 hours IIRC. They're all the way down to #5 now. Would be a slight mockery of the charts if YouTube streaming is weighted heavily enough to get that to #1.

Edited February 21, 201312 yr by Bré

I love how that 'new rule' was literally shoehorned in for the sole reason of having Baauer debut at #1. Seems slightly ridiculous that user-created videos that contain songs now count towards the chart, unless it's only user-made music videos and not just random videos that happen to include music as a soundbed in which case fair enough, as that more or less comes under streaming.

 

Aww at Mumford & Sons missing out on the H100 top 10 - but at least they're back in the top 10 on Digital I guess. Bet they're #11 on the H100 :drama:

They stayed #1 for about 36 hours IIRC. They're all the way down to #5 now. Would be a slight mockery of the charts if YouTube streaming is weighted heavily enough to get that to #1.

 

Oops :lol:

^ To be fair, most of Taylor Swift and Lil Wayne's songs fall just as fast as this One Direction song is.

 

I don't think so, it makes no sense. I think only officially uploaded (by the music/recording company) videos' streams count. Counting any other video stream would be so stupid.

 

Billboard have already confirmed that mixtape tracks and live performances can now chart off Youtube views if they get enough.

 

They've not said anything about leaked songs before, but some leaked tracks have managed to chart on Billboard charts off airplay alone before (e.g. Countdown by Beyonce), so I don't see why it couldn't happen with Youtube views too.

Edited February 21, 201312 yr by Eric_Blob

To be honest, I think this is a good thing. They are the most popular stars in the US and the singles chart should reflect that. And if it means that radio play counts a little less then that is fine too.

 

Knowing Billboard they've probably increased radio airplay's share again as well and decreased sales' share even more.

Edited February 21, 201312 yr by Bré

Where do you reckon Rebecca Black would've ended up using this method? :lol:

 

She would have been #1 easily, which is shocking.

 

This whole idea is ridiculous. Include YouTube views but not at the level they have. 'Harlem Shake' will be #1 for absolute months now.

 

They're counting all those stupid 'homemade' clips. So this means if I record a song, put in on YouTube and it goes viral I could get a Hot 100 #1?!

Edited February 21, 201312 yr by Mikal

Knowing Billboard they've probably increased radio airplay's share again as well and decreased sales' share even more.

 

Apparently radio is now the lowest component, and streaming is the highest, according to that Dust2.

 

I think in the future the Hot 100 will be the most heard songs by the US population each week, as they'll probably have the technology to accurately track that one day.

One Way Or Another debuts at #45 this week so it won't go straight to #1.

 

I hate that with the new rules all random Rihanna songs will chart higher than before. Loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Me for example

Edited February 21, 201312 yr by SKOB

They're counting all those stupid 'homemade' clips. So this means if I record a song, put in on YouTube and it goes viral I could get a Hot 100 #1?!

 

If it got 35 million views in one week in the US, then yes. And I think Friday by Rebecca Black should've got #1, since it was definitely one of the most popular songs at the time.

 

I wonder what major record labels think about this lol. I think they lose quite a lot of power over the charts, but there's still ways they can get more control of Youtube like they've done with radio, and I'm sure they'll try.

Worst no.1 in a long time?

If it got 35 million views in one week in the US, then yes. And I think Friday by Rebecca Black should've got #1, since it was definitely one of the most popular songs at the time.

 

I wonder what major record labels think about this lol. I think they lose quite a lot of power over the charts, but there's still ways they can get more control of Youtube like they've done with radio, and I'm sure they'll try.

 

I imagine record labels are panicking, they'll have to go all out with music videos now. Lyric videos will be everywhere too.

 

The only good this is that radio plays less of a part. This rule change is insane though. It should only include OFFICAL Vevo plays, not all those home-made videos.

I imagine record labels are panicking, they'll have to go all out with music videos now. Lyric videos will be everywhere too.

 

The only good this is that radio plays less of a part. This rule change is insane though. It should only include OFFICAL Vevo plays, not all those home-made videos.

 

They already included VEVO (and a few other websites) plays before I believe. Had Gangnam Style been on VEVO I reckon that would've pushed it ahead of One More Night for at least 1 week, since they were really close a few times.

 

I wonder if record labels will pay people to make parody videos, and then secretly promote them (in a way that people wouldn't realize a record label was behind it, and think that they had "discovered" the video themselves).

Edited February 21, 201312 yr by Eric_Blob

They already included VEVO (and a few other websites) plays before I believe. Had Gangnam Style been on VEVO I reckon that would've pushed it ahead of One More Night for at least 1 week, since they were really close a few times.

 

I wonder if record labels will pay people to make parody videos, and then secretly promote them (in a way that people wouldn't realize a record label was behind it, and think that they had "discovered" the video themselves).

 

'Gangnam Style' with this new rule would have been #1 for months.

 

I just can't get my head around using the plays of those 30 second videos? It just doesn't make sense.

 

I think the main reason they did this was because Gangnam Style missed #1 using their old chart methods.

 

I think you're right. Billboard has been known to respond to criticism with a change in their methodology -- e.g. when Michael Jackson's singles were ineligible to chart on the Hot 100 in 2009.

 

I think everyone is overestimating the potential for novelty songs and memes to reach #1 in the future. Harlem Shake was also the #3 selling digital song this week, topping the iTunes chart for some time. The Billboard article linked above says plainly that sales helped Harlem Shake get to #1 in a big way (it would have been top 15 on sales alone without the change).

 

Now on the point about Taylor Swift and One Direction, I agree we will see more #1 debuts, but it will be on the strength of Youtube as well as paid steaming and paid downloads. It will annoy most of us, but this is a phenomenon faced by every sales-oriented chart in the world (e.g. Westlife debuting at number one approximately 134,789 times between 99 and 2005).

 

I agree this change isn't ideal, but after the payola and Clear Channel political scandals 10 years ago I still just don't trust airplay as a measure of popularity. Radio stations in the US are largely controlled by corporations who have interests of their own. At least people will elect to watch Harlem Shake videos themselves.

Edited February 21, 201312 yr by Consie

I don't think so, it makes no sense. I think only officially uploaded (by the music/recording company) videos' streams count. Counting any other video stream would be so stupid.

 

 

Every video of a certain song counts towards the chart

 

 

that's why Harlem Shake debuted at #1 as it has countless viral videos on Youtube. However they are only 30 seconds

I think you're right. Billboard has been known to respond to criticism with a change in their methodology -- e.g. when Michael Jackson's singles were ineligible to chart on the Hot 100 in 2009.

 

I think everyone is overestimating the potential for novelty songs and memes to reach #1 in the future. Harlem Shake was also the #3 selling digital song this week, topping the iTunes chart for some time. The Billboard article linked above says plainly that sales helped Harlem Shake get to #1 in a big way (it would have been top 15 on sales alone without the change).

 

Now on the point about Taylor Swift and One Direction, I agree we will see more #1 debuts, but it will be on the strength of Youtube as well as paid steaming and paid downloads. It will annoy most of us, but this is a phenomenon faced by every sales-oriented chart in the world (e.g. Westlife debuting at number one approximately 134,789 times between 99 and 2005).

 

I agree this change isn't ideal, but after the payola and Clear Channel political scandals 10 years ago I still just don't trust airplay as a measure of popularity. Radio stations in the US are largely controlled by corporations who have interests of their own. At least people will elect to watch Harlem Shake videos themselves.

 

That's the thing though, Thrift Shop is MILES ahead on airplay and sold over 400,000+ downloads this week, the only format Harlem Shake beat it on was YouTube views. They've got their ratio's all out imo.

I really do think something like this would be good in the UK. It would force record companies to do away with the ridiculous habit of releasing tracks months after they debut on radio.