high media exposure REALLY. come on.

 

(i've never even heard it btw so i'm not actually outraged / only arguing cos i like it, just seems a bit of a silly one to be automatic)

ha oops sorry harve just copying you there

And yet most people, (not discounting Liam at all but...) when Flute was brought up in the thread knew exactly what it was and immediately had an opinion to pass upon it. That shows to me that it clearly was well known among the participant base, would have had an unfair headstart on many other tracks, and should have been vetoed. And I'm one of the mods who originally voted for it to stay.

That is may be, but it's not the full compliment of 57 participants that declared they had heard of the song. I'm sure people would only be awarding it points if they thought that it was brilliant enough to receive them, or is having a fantastic track not what BJSC is about?

It hit the guardian and rolling stone in addition to a shittastic tonne of indieblogs. It's had high exposure across the indie scene (not to mention a pitchfork feature) and was thus deemed worthy of 12 points.

 

High media exposure doesn't have to mean BBC and NME, we categorise blogs as 'media' so a high blog exposure throughout it's audience suggests that the people who are likely to be discovering it via the contest will have already done so through one of the many pages of blog hits. That's how we deem something to have enough exposure to be vetoed. It's all relevant to it's audience. I allocated it's points and saw enough to warrant giving it a 12.

 

Part of the reason I didn't back a veto for Flute was the evidence I had in front of me at the time suggested it didn't have that same media exposure and thus hadn't been heard by all of it's potential audience. Although given that 9 people (15.7% of the entrants) have talked about hearing that song it does appear to have had more of an impact than I thought.

I googled 'With Me' before I confirmed it, and I decided that Mirror Maru had all the media exposure. So I decided that it wouldnt get vetoed for sure... but why didnt it get vetoed earlier? Its not like it have recived any exposure since I confirmed it.

Y'all realise this veto stuff takes time right? We don't get a copy of your entry immediately after you confirm it. If you're not in the initial batch it can be like a day before we even get the entry. Then we have to google the everliving crap out of it and allocate points to it. We got your entry Erik on Wednesday, it was googled on Friday evening and then on Saturday the points were allocated and it was booted the same day. It's not an instant process as we all have various roles to play in the process and we all have busy schedules.

 

We go through a lot of entries as quick as we physically can.

People do love a good MOAN don't they. I mean I've fallen foul of the veto rather a lot of times (I think about 7 at last count!), but I think it's as good as we can expect it to be, especially in the light of the revamp. The mods are people, with other commitments outside BJSC, and from what I can see they do look at and deal with vetoes in a timely fashion.

That is may be, but it's not the full compliment of 57 participants that declared they had heard of the song. I'm sure people would only be awarding it points if they thought that it was brilliant enough to receive them, or is having a fantastic track not what BJSC is about?

 

I'm not entirely sure where you're going with this. It already has been vetoed, that part's over, it wasn't even your track. Plenty of participants who spoke up had heard it, many don't speak up so we can assume that a proportion of them had heard it also. You are not going to get every BJSC participant to post on an issue no matter how hard you try, that's just ridiculous.

 

The point is not whether they'd have liked it or not, but rather that it should be a discovery for as many people as possible as if a number have heard the song before the semis go up it gives it an unfair advantage as voters have already let the track sink in, and will (subconsciously or not) favour it over tracks they haven't known for as long.

 

And also +1 to what Silas is saying, it takes time and effort to allocate the points for each track and it isn't an instant process by any means, the mods do a great job as it is.

I'm not entirely sure where you're going with this. It already has been vetoed, that part's over, it wasn't even your track. Plenty of participants who spoke up had heard it, many don't speak up so we can assume that a proportion of them had heard it also. You are not going to get every BJSC participant to post on an issue no matter how hard you try, that's just ridiculous.

 

The point is not whether they'd have liked it or not, but rather that it should be a discovery for as many people as possible as if a number have heard the song before the semis go up it gives it an unfair advantage as voters have already let the track sink in, and will (subconsciously or not) favour it over tracks they haven't known for as long.

 

And also +1 to what Silas is saying, it takes time and effort to allocate the points for each track and it isn't an instant process by any means, the mods do a great job as it is.

So great quality is frowned upon in favour of the lesser known? Right.

 

I just don't relate to the idea of somebody having to go with a song that they just don't love as much because it's second choice and not as great as the entry they had originally intended on sending because a small portion of participants in the contest may or may not have already heard the song. Having heard it prior to the contest's start doesn't necessarily mean you like it, nor does it mean you hate it. But a song can have the same effect on first listen - it could hit you and you could love it or you could loathe it because it's not music to your ears. I've heard plenty entries from people in past contests before it has begun, and it's not had any impact on whether it gets my 12 because the quality of other songs is quite terrible, or no points at all because everything else is far superior.

All 57 entries approved and Semifinals will be going live today 7pm! *.*

poor chris.

Yep. All Usfland's fault! :(

:cheer: Excited.

YAY :cheer:

 

And by the way having read this thread I think the mods made the right decision regarding Flute's veto. I just think Animals and Tsunami should have been vetoed too as they were hyped more than Flute, but hey, you can't change the past ^_^

YAY :cheer:

 

And by the way having read this thread I think the mods made the right decision regarding Flute's veto. I just think Animals and Tsunami should have been vetoed too as they were hyped more than Flute, but hey, you can't change the past ^_^

Both of these were nowhere near exploding during their respective contests iirc? So I doubt their (pending, in the Tsunami's case) success was swayed by the hype.

So great quality is frowned upon in favour of the lesser known? Right.

 

I just don't relate to the idea of somebody having to go with a song that they just don't love as much because it's second choice and not as great as the entry they had originally intended on sending because a small portion of participants in the contest may or may not have already heard the song. Having heard it prior to the contest's start doesn't necessarily mean you like it, nor does it mean you hate it. But a song can have the same effect on first listen - it could hit you and you could love it or you could loathe it because it's not music to your ears. I've heard plenty entries from people in past contests before it has begun, and it's not had any impact on whether it gets my 12 because the quality of other songs is quite terrible, or no points at all because everything else is far superior.

To be fair, quality is subjective whereas how much a song is known can be quantifiable so the mods only have that to go on when deciding. And for that reason too I think I would prefer a completely unknown song over a "good" song that is known by at least 1/10 of the participants.

Both of these were nowhere near exploding during their respective contests iirc? So I doubt their (pending, in the Tsunami's case) success was swayed by the hype.

 

'Animals' definitely was exploding during its contest, far more than 'Tsunami' and definitely far more than 'Flute' (which FTR I disagree with the veto for, but I'm not gonna make a big deal about it and I'm sure the mods know better than me anyway). I wanted to veto it at the time (yeah this is the one time I had power in this, gonna keep reminding y'all that happened) but there wasn't enough support for that among the other mods.

Yawn. If you want to send shit that can be easily found by any other member without much trouble then you should probably do the popjustice version or something. No one even likes a challenge anymore!

 

Come Down To Us has been my favourite song of the week for a month now but what would I achieve by sending it to BJSC when it's already storming the multichart, #1 in quite a few charts and has huge hype and crossover appeal? Without this framework this 13-minute by an indie/electronic male artist song (not too different from

and that I was very close to sending exactly a year ago, rather ironically) would've been easily let through and, trust me, it would've won. Half of the participants would've heard the song prior to the contest as well. What do you achieve by that really?

I am in the middle of the mp3 collection procedure (as much as it's possible to do it at work though) so anyone who is yet to send me an mp3, don't hesitate to do so because I might accidentally find a version of your song which is slightly different (I only compare the length and first few seconds of the video you send me to length and first few seconds of the mp3s I find) and fuck up your chances (happened before when I did mp3 collection for other hosts) which would be your fault bye.

The Popjustice version is actually just as strict and if not, worse than BJSC. Those peeps there rip the shit out of scandipop songs and penalise any songs which are deemed cheap and they end up flopping.