Internet radio won't count.

 

Billboard doesn't count Pandora for example. And Pandora is HUGE in the USA. 70,000,000+ active users.

iTunes radio is a Streaming service from Apple, you should know that... -_-

You don't think mad One Direction fan wouldn't just plug in an old phone and have it streaming their latest single constantly so they could give them 25 sales a week? If enough of them did it it would have an effect. That's why they need the cap.

 

I don't think a sufficient number of people would care that much about the chart to make any impact by doing that.

It gets capped so that chart-rigging can't happen!

It gets capped so that chart-rigging can't happen!

10 streams per day, apparently.

I wonder how long it will be before record companies take advantage of this by encouraging their fans to stream their song 10 times every day as well as multi buying it. We could still be seeing chart manipulation but it will always happen, well at least there is a daily cap.

10 streams per day, apparently.

 

I was told it was 1 stream per day earlier in the thread?!

 

Even if it's 10 streams per day, that's 70 streams per week which equals 0,7 sales per week. Let's say they duplicate that on 5 different streaming websites, that would make 3,5 sales per week. Most teens would rather buy an iTunes giftcard and spend it all on one song rather than dedicating their time/efforts to multi-streaming every single day of the week.

Let's be honest, there are far easier way to influence the charts now thant there would be with streaming.

Edited June 23, 201411 yr by Hayzayy

I wonder how long it will be before record companies take advantage of this by encouraging their fans to stream their song 10 times every day as well as multi buying it. We could still be seeing chart manipulation but it will always happen, well at least there is a daily cap.

 

...which would add less than one additional sale per person per week. The addition of streaming will make absolutely no impact on this kind of 'chart manipulation', even if it wasn't capped it'd have a very small impact but with the cap it's an almost nonexistent impact. I think streaming being added will make it *harder* for songs to be spammed into the chart by multi-buying (and multi-streaming), not easier.

 

I was told it was 1 stream per day earlier in the thread?!

 

I'm not sure it's actually been officially confirmed :P

10 steams per day isn't really that bad - in an entire week, a listener can only manage 0.7 sales from streaming. I can't complain -I 'll be helping That Saturdays, Charli XCX, etc those streams, I'm sure loads of people complaining will do the same for their favs. Scott Mills says that it will be 30 seconds of each song, which will count, if this hasn't been mentioned yet.

Some old songs that still in the napster top 50 this week include Adele- Someone Like You and Rolling In The Deep and Emeli Sande- Clown, Coldplay- Paradise and Fix You, and Ed Sheeran- Lego House

Not sure, but when they added streaming to certifications in the US all the old songs got adjusted, so it could happen like that in the UK too.

I'd assume that they'll only count the streaming from after the streaming is taken into the chart. There will be 100s of ceritifcations all at once otherwise. There are plenty of songs sitting at 180 - 199k or 390 - 399k, etc.

 

Thanks :cry: well either way I hope it finally goes Silver soon :arrr:

 

Edited June 23, 201411 yr by jmmc

I was told it was 1 stream per day earlier in the thread?!

 

Even if it's 10 streams per day, that's 70 streams per week which equals 0,7 sales per week. Let's say they duplicate that on 5 different streaming websites, that would make 3,5 sales per week. Most teens would rather buy an iTunes giftcard and spend it all on one song rather than dedicating their time/efforts to multi-streaming every single day of the week.

Let's be honest, there are far easier way to influence the charts now thant there would be with streaming.

Well this came from the BBC One O'Clock News.

Just allowing one stream per day seems very restrictive, I'm sure we've all listened to a track more than once in a day.

But more than 10 times?

That's going beyond innocent fandom.....

 

I agree with Bre on this. It's easier to manipulate sales than it is to manipulate streaming. Why are people so worried about the chart being manipulated when for the past few years we've been having Facebook campaigns every few months doing this already?

Edited June 23, 201411 yr by Eric_Blob

I just had a terrible thought, Happy is going to go back top 10 :( when the new system kicks in

No, it really won't. It'd only be getting an extra 4.7k 'sales' now, it'll probably be down at an extra 3k in a month.

 

-x-

 

Honestly, the amount of reactionary toss in this thread. Streaming is a very, very big part of how people consume music now, and 100:1 is as reasonable a ratio you can get! In reality, no, 'mad One Direction fans' are NOT going to be plugging their phones in to play one song 2,500 times a week. In reality, why should something massively popular in streaming not have that recognised in its certification? And in reality, charts evolve and sales become less relevant - that it has always been a sales chart doesn't mean it always should be - and a 100:1 ratio isn't going to suddenly slow the charts down, or even really do it that much five, ten years down the line (after all - who knows how many of those 1.5 million streams for Waves or whatever are actually repeat streams that go over the limit of 6 streams per user and therefore won't be included in the chart?).

 

Sorry your beloved chart isn't the same anymore people, but think about what a music chart is supposed to gauge. Streaming is undeniably something that needs to play a part in that if it is a big part of how people consume music.

I've lost a lot of interest in the chart to begin with, and that's without streaming. I doubt this will affect me at all.

I don't know if this has been mentioned but it should make the difference between who's successful in the singles and album charts a little smaller. People are far, far more likely to stream an entire album than buy each track individually so it'll help songs from the big album releases every week - particularly its singles.

This report from the OCC should answer some questions for y'all: http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/s...d-to-know-3109/

There's a few Lana Del Rey tracks in the streaming top 100 this week

I'm excited to see the first chart actually. Even 1/2 a million streams for a track in a week equates to a 5000 sales boost; has the potential to make a HUGE difference. Everyone best get listening to alt-j's "Hunger of the Pine", that should get T40 with streaming surely?

iTunes radio is a Streaming service from Apple, you should know that... -_-

 

If Billboard doesn't count Pandora, which is many times bigger than Itunes radio, why would it start counting Itunes radio?

 

Billboard Hot 100 is airplay + sales + on-demand streaming.

 

Internet Radio is not on demand.

 

 

If Billboard doesn't count Pandora, which is many times bigger than Itunes radio, why would it start counting Itunes radio?

 

Billboard Hot 100 is airplay + sales + on-demand streaming.

 

Internet Radio is not on demand.

What's the difference between Spotify and iTunes radio? :unsure:

 

Apple's website says you can personalize your playlist too.