This should have happened much earlier IMO. Streaming is the only way I consume my music now and it's the same for a LOT of people. I do wish that there was separate ratios for paid and unpaid streaming however.

"Yes, both streams and sales will be given out separately." So they won't be combined, and they definitely won't count towards million sellers.

 

Yes both streams and sales will be given out separately in ADDITION to the combined total which WILL be used for sales totals, certifications and million sellers - streams WILL definitely count towards million sellers

 

e.g. in the music week sales report of the future they'll say x has sold 1,145,628 of which 923,654 is digital, 1,541 is physical and 22,043,300 streams = 220,433 streaming units

 

But they have said that they WILL be combined for certification purposes. That suggests that they will also be combined when determining million sellers.

 

exactly

Finally!! The announcement will make me switch 100% to streaming now - Just set up my premium EE/Deezer account in celebration!

I think 100:1 is the right ratio. I hope they'll only base million sellers on sales.. at least whilst the sales market is still doing well.

 

I believe from what I was told last week that the Breakers Chart will only feature new songs that haven't yet made the official top 10.

e.g. in the music week sales report of the future they'll say x has sold 1,145,628 of which 923,654 is digital, 1,541 is physical and 22,043,300 streams = 220,433 streaming units

 

That''s going to make my job harder every Monday morning :lol:

 

Anyone wants a job as a sales ripper, I'm quitting after next week -_-

Relieved that YouTube doesn't count - I hope it never will.

Oh apparently Sam Smith would have had 2 weeks at number 1 had they already implemented this a few weeks ago. Though we could've guessed that anyway.

I think the very term 'million seller' is enough to assume that streams aren't going to be counted in the list of million sellers. Unless the list is renamed as 'million pointer' or whatever. I don't think that list is really the same thing as the weekly charts or certifications.

But they have said that they WILL be combined for certification purposes. That suggests that they will also be combined when determining million sellers.

 

Oh my god that's ridiculous. A sale is a sale, separate from a stream. A song HASN'T sold 1 million if 1 million copies haven't been sold. Millions of youtube hits are not sales, it's completely different, and that's why a combined chart makes no sense.

Oh apparently Sam Smith would have had 2 weeks at number 1 had they already implemented this a few weeks ago. Though we could've guessed that anyway.

 

hopefully that stat will encourage ministry of sound to at least add the radio edits of their singles to spotify etc~

But they basically say 100 streams equals 1 sale. So it'll be treated like 1 sale.

I think the very term 'million seller' is enough to assume that streams aren't going to be counted in the list of million sellers. Unless the list is renamed as 'million pointer' or whatever. I don't think that list is really the same thing as the weekly charts or certifications.

I hope you're right but the certifications are currently described in sales terms and the OCC have said that is going to change.

I think the very term 'million seller' is enough to assume that streams aren't going to be counted in the list of million sellers. Unless the list is renamed as 'million pointer' or whatever. I don't think that list is really the same thing as the weekly charts or certifications.

 

i don't see how a phrase coined even before the cd era indicates that streams aren't going to be counted :unsure: ~ 100 streams = 1 sale after all :P

I hope you're right but the certifications are currently described in sales terms and the OCC have said that is going to change.

 

Well the way I see it, they can change the methodology of certifications but they can't just change the methodology of a 'million sellers list' when it is defined by the very name of the list. If they are counting streaming to the all-time list it will cease to be a million sellers list (presumably a separate list of purely sales based million "sellers" would still be kept anyway in the same way the sales-only chart isn't being discontinued when streams are incorporated into the official chart).

 

i don't see how a phrase coined even before the cd era indicates that streams aren't going to be counted :unsure: ~ 100 streams = 1 sale after all :P

 

100 streams and 1 sale contribute the same amount of 'points' to a song in the chart, they are still separate things :P A pound coin and a hundred pennies are worth the same but a person who owns a hundred pennies doesn't therefore own a pound coin, to use the first vague analogy I can think of.

Well the way I see it, they can change the methodology of certifications but they can't just change the methodology of a 'million sellers list' when it is defined by the very name of the list. If they are counting streaming to the all-time list it will cease to be a million sellers list (presumably a separate list of purely sales based million "sellers" would still be kept anyway in the same way the sales-only chart isn't being discontinued when streams are incorporated into the official chart).

100 streams and 1 sale contribute the same amount of 'points' to a song in the chart, they are still separate things :P A pound coin and a hundred pennies are worth the same but a person who owns a hundred pennies doesn't therefore own a pound coin, to use the first vague analogy I can think of.

They do both own a pound though so I think you might need a better analogy :lol:

In a parallel move, the Official Breakers Chart will be launched to reflect the fastest growing new tracks. The rundown will showcase the 10 biggest new tracks of each week which have seen an increase in sales and streams.

 

Maybe they should play this chart on Radio 1 during the Sunday shows. They can miss out some of the 6 month old songs in the top 40 each week if they need extra time.

I don't really get why people care about the million sellers thing anyway. Who cares what the OCC define as a million seller, you're still going to know which songs have crossed a million in actual sales so you're free to have your own list of what the million sellers are.

They do both own a pound though so I think you might need a better analogy :lol:

 

No, the distinction I'm making is between having a pound coin and having an amount of money worth as much as a pound coin. The coin is a sale, the amount of money is a "sale" (including 100 streams as 1 sale). A million sellers list would be... a list of people who own the most pound coins. If that makes sense. :magic:

No, the distinction I'm making is between having a pound coin and having an amount of money worth as much as a pound coin. The coin is a sale, the amount of money is a "sale" (including 100 streams as 1 sale). A million sellers list would be... a list of people who own the most pound coins. If that makes sense. :magic:

We'll see what they do. For me it makes no sense that a song can be certified as double platinum (1.2 million "sales") but not be seen as a million seller.

i'm not sure the occ is going to be that caught up with semantics bré ~ arbitrarily 100 streams = 1 sale in the next format to arrive after vinyl, cds & mp3

besides million sellers before 1999 were a fudge using multiplication factors (which have since proved to be wrong) & pre 1994 the occ don't even own/have the data - so adding 'points' as you put it as an equivalent to sales isn't going to be much of a problem~