Posted February 24, 201411 yr Last week we hired somebody to do general admin in my department, follow up calls, data entry etc, young lad turned up, 22 years old, been out of work for a couple of years, thought would give him a chance, do bit for the unemployment figures and all that, he was ok in the interview etc Today his mum phones up at half 9, lad was due to start at 9, she says that he wont be coming in as he decided office work is not for him. He wasted our time, our money, our recruitment man hours, so a call was made to his job centre explaining what has happened, this will be followed up with an official letter, he will certainly lose his benefits for at least 3 months, maybe more as you can get sanctioned for up to 3 years for leaving a job voluntarily/turning down a job offer, the bone idle good for nothing bast*rd will likely end up using foodbanks :rolleyes: If you knew someone who was cheating the system like he clearly is, would you report them?
February 24, 201411 yr Author That isn't cheating the system if he's found another job. He hasn't found another job, he just didn't fancy this one
February 24, 201411 yr aving a job voluntarily/turning down a job offer, the bone idle good for nothing bast*rd will likely end up using foodbanks :rolleyes: If you knew someone who was cheating the system like he clearly is, would you report them? No, never. People should mind their own business and realise it's hard to exist on JSA so if some have a cash in hand job or live with their partner unknown to the DWP, or haven't told the Houssing Benefit office that a partner's working, then good look to them. Report tax dodgers instead! Edited February 24, 201411 yr by Common Sense
February 24, 201411 yr Leaving a job after only being there for a week is not being a 'benefits cheat'. I'd generally try to persevere with a job for longer than that, but if your claim of being sanctioned for voluntarily leaving a job is true (is it??), it's pretty fucked up that you're effectively forced to stay in a job for fear of not being able to claim out-of-work benefits if you quit.
February 24, 201411 yr Author Leaving a job after only being there for a week is not being a 'benefits cheat'. I'd generally try to persevere with a job for longer than that, but if your claim of being sanctioned for voluntarily leaving a job is true (is it??), it's pretty fucked up that you're effectively forced to stay in a job for fear of not being able to claim out-of-work benefits if you quit. He was there for 2 days, made a couple of mistakes but who doesn't when they are still learning the ropes. Our company spent a lot of money (no idea how much but recruitment isn't cheap) and the HR director spent half a day interviewing 8 people so time was wasted and money so we reported him to the job centre That's the rules though, if you leave a job voluntarily without good reason then you are denied benefits for 3 months Sure he didn't like the job, but few people in life get their dream job, just have to get on with what you got
February 24, 201411 yr He hasn't found another job, he just didn't fancy this one He didn't think this through. He should have started, been insubordinate and got you to sack him. I did that once, rather than lose 6 weeks' money, as the sanction was then. You could have helped him too Craig and told them you'd fired him. ;) Office work is boring and isn't for everyone Craig. People should have some choice in what type of work they do. How do youknow he's a lazy good for nothing? May prefer manual or outside work? :) Edited February 24, 201411 yr by Common Sense
February 24, 201411 yr Author No, never. People should mind their own business and realise it's hard to exist on JSA so if some have a cash in hand job or live with their partner unknown to the DWP, or haven't told the Houssing Benefit office that a partner's working, then good look to them. Report tax dodgers instead! Am pretty sure you said once that you have paid builders/tradesmen cash in hand, I would imagine that few of them declare cash in hand jobs to the taxman
February 24, 201411 yr Am pretty sure you said once that you have paid builders/tradesmen cash in hand, I would imagine that few of them declare cash in hand jobs to the taxman I have paid cash in hand in return for a discount, yes.
February 24, 201411 yr Author He didn't think this through. He should have started, been insubordinate and got you to sack him. I did that once, rather than lose 6 weeks' money, as the sanction was then. You could have helped him too Craig and told them you'd fired him. ;) If he had been honest at interview and just said 'the job centre made me apply for this, I want really to be a car mechanic or whatever' then fine, no problem, would have sent him on his way and that would have been that, would have chosen someone who actually wanted the job, but he accepted the position so he had a duty to see it through, he let us down badly so it was felt unanimously to report him to the job centre
February 24, 201411 yr He was there for 2 days, made a couple of mistakes but who doesn't when they are still learning the ropes. Our company spent a lot of money (no idea how much but recruitment isn't cheap) and the HR director spent half a day interviewing 8 people so time was wasted and money so we reported him to the job centre That's the rules though, if you leave a job voluntarily without good reason then you are denied benefits for 3 months Sure he didn't like the job, but few people in life get their dream job, just have to get on with what you got Quite apart from that a demoralised worker is likely not going to be giving the best results to your company, accepting what you have if it's shit is quite the opposite of an inspiring philosophy! Yeah, I'm sure most of us would give the job more of a chance before quitting out of the blue like that, but young people often make impulsive decisions. Like Harve says, it's pretty f***ed up if you can't leave a job voluntarily for fear of not being able to survive. In his position I would have made sure I had a better job secured before quitting, so this guy hasn't gone the best way about it, but I don't see it as cheating the system, there are surely better ways to do that. And if he goes straight back on the job hunt for something more suited to him, and I've seen no evidence to suggest he won't do that, why should he have his benefits cut because he accepted a job he didn't like rather than just flunked the interview? Sucks for your company that you spent time and money on him but sometimes people don't end up suitable and he probably wouldn't have been good for your company in the long run.
February 24, 201411 yr I think 3 months with no money whatsoever is very harsh. What are you expected to live on? A few weeks, or a month, yes. Used to be 6 weeks before.
February 24, 201411 yr It is true that you are not entitled to JSA if you leave a job voluntarily. You have to be fired or made redundant to be eligible for JSA. (Or have never worked, like if you've just finished full time education for example) I would do pretty similar to what Craig's company did. I would inform the job centre that the position was vacated, without notice, voluntarily by the claimant. I wouldn't call them a benefit cheat, they'd only be that if they hadn't told the Job Centre/DWP about the job. Benefit cheats should absolutely be reported to the DWP, same with tax cheats and HMRC. They have broken the law and are costing hard working tax payers money by doing so. It is illegal and immoral. If they can't face the consequences of their actions then they shouldn't carry them out.
March 4, 201411 yr Absolutely right for ringing in on the lazy scoundrel. He got offered a job. Full stop.
March 5, 201411 yr Harsh, and no I wouldnt report them, but some people do need an attitude adjustment. The idea that those of us in work for 30 years plus in someway enjoy working for a living is not entirely realistic. If you seriously want a job, you take ANYTHING and use that as a springboard towards something you DO want to do. Sometimes you have to make do (I speak as someone who did years of factory jobs, all of which I hated - trust me, stuffing bread rolls into plastic bags from 6pm to 6am 5 days a week is mental torture). An employer faced with someone who's never had a job, years after leaving education, and someone who's making an effort, will always go for the one not sat at home on the XBox. The expectation that society owes you support for as long as you feel like it till you find a nice cushy role you enjoy will just lead to becoming a permanent benefit claimant. Life isn't always fair. Not wagging the finger here, either, I did the same when I moved to Poole - I'd previously been Storesman at a photolab and got offered ASSISTANT storesman when I'd applied for Storesman locally. Stupid pride got in the way, I turned it down, failed to get another job quickly and spiralled into a huge banging-head-on-wall-helplessly-crying depression for months which did me no good whatsoever, nor make me any better at interviews. In the end I took the next available job offer, regardless, as Dorset County Council 2-year contract surveying highways and byways after another young fool did the same and didn't turn up for first day of work, and they had to quickly go for the next best available candidate (me). That led to all my subsequent jobs. Lucky me!
March 7, 201411 yr Last week we hired somebody to do general admin in my department, follow up calls, data entry etc, young lad turned up, 22 years old, been out of work for a couple of years, thought would give him a chance, do bit for the unemployment figures and all that, he was ok in the interview etc Today his mum phones up at half 9, lad was due to start at 9, she says that he wont be coming in as he decided office work is not for him. He wasted our time, our money, our recruitment man hours, so a call was made to his job centre explaining what has happened, this will be followed up with an official letter, he will certainly lose his benefits for at least 3 months, maybe more as you can get sanctioned for up to 3 years for leaving a job voluntarily/turning down a job offer, the bone idle good for nothing bast*rd will likely end up using foodbanks :rolleyes: If you knew someone who was cheating the system like he clearly is, would you report them? tbh if he was 22 years old and had to have his mum call you up... is a little sad! :lol: question - if this had been a person in their 30's who had worked all their life, had called up themselves to say they dont wish to continue in the role, would you have the same view & report them also? in answer to your question 'would you report them?' - yes i think i would if i was owner/manager of the company, if i was a mere little worker person i probably wouldnt
March 13, 201411 yr Today his mum phones up at half 9, lad was due to start at 9, she says that he wont be coming in as he decided office work is not for him. This is where I started to laugh. I'm sure if the guy was living on his own and relied on the wage for his rent/lodgings, food, other expenses - then he would probably have stuck the job out. The only person who is going to be left financially out of pocket here is his mum. Edited March 13, 201411 yr by Kath
March 19, 201411 yr I think its pretty scumming your company phoned the job centre before they were contacted by the job centre, I believe you probably breached the law doing it first as he has a right to privacy, and only if he gives up that right by claiming an allowance are you able to divulge that information.... a job that you offer someone is not a binding contract in the first week infact he has a right to quit without notice in the first week,,,, and the fact that you are on social media singing it from the roof tops further breaches your companies duty of confidentiality
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