I don't remember hearing any such thing - perhaps you can provide a reference that says otherwise (preferably not something off-the-record by a random MP)

Yes, I am pretty sure of that - whatever the disagreements within the Tory party, neither they nor the DUP want to see Labour back in power!

 

Not that anyone is obliged to provide something we all remember happening and that you can google in 5 seconds but since that is obviously too difficult for you...

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/open...4b09025ba310fce

 

The Tory party is split and Brexit is enormously difficult. There is no guarantee they will last 6 months never mind 5 years.

I don't think you're suggesting that I would have people deported for relatively trivial crimes, but could you confirm that you don't think I meant that?

 

You said

 

"What would *anyone* have a problem with deporting convicted foreign criminals?".

 

No I didn't think on balance you meant for trivial reasons, but then you left it vague and with no clear indication what you consider to be a criminal action. As always you make short deliberately vague statements to change the subject or generate replies. If you want people to not point out the obvious then be more clear about what you are saying.

 

In this case, what EXACTLY do you mean by "convicted criminal"? As I said, the devil is in the detail. Not something Brexiteers are good at, even after 10 years or so of having the time to prepare with the skillset of someone that in theory actually knows the EU constitution and rules eg Nige Furrage

You said

 

"What would *anyone* have a problem with deporting convicted foreign criminals?".

 

No I didn't think on balance you meant for trivial reasons, but then you left it vague and with no clear indication what you consider to be a criminal action. As always you make short deliberately vague statements to change the subject or generate replies. If you want people to not point out the obvious then be more clear about what you are saying.

 

In this case, what EXACTLY do you mean by "convicted criminal"? As I said, the devil is in the detail. Not something Brexiteers are good at, even after 10 years or so of having the time to prepare with the skillset of someone that in theory actually knows the EU constitution and rules eg Nige Furrage

 

I had in mind violent crimes and/or those that carry a sentence above a certain length - say 6 months.

I can't agree with you on the first point, as the increased turnout amongst young voters strongly indicates they *did* take it to mean that.

No it doesn't? The promise to abolish tuition fees was a big driver, along with Jeremy Corbyn's candidacy in itself. Do you really think an interpretation of a single NME interview had that much cultural penetration that all the young voters a. agreed with it and b. *that* was the reason that they all turned out? Because that's infinitely more presumptuous.

 

I wonder of you'd have considered a 6% increase as 'just a statistical artifact'? :teresa:

Yes. I've been fairly consistent these last few years on calling out people who overegg poll movements that are within the margin of error.

 

The issue is not the exact wording, but that he cynically did nothing to repudiate that mistaken believe, once it had taken hold.

That belief never DID take hold though, regardless of what the Tories said. It's pretty blatant from the polling that it was a small minority that took it that way - about 57-17.

 

Edited August 28, 20177 yr by Qassändra

New Holyrood poll, first full Scottish poll since the GE:

 

SNP 42% (-5 from Holyrood 2016, +5 from Westminster 2017)

CON 26% (+4, -3)

LAB 22% (-1, -5)

LIB 6% (-2, -1)

GREEN 2% (+1, +2)

OTHER 2% (+1, +1)

 

Way better for us than I was expecting, I honestly thought Labour would be ahead after everything *.* All the Westminster sub-samples have showed it a lot closer, maybe there's more people differentiating their vote between Westminster and Holyrood again like until 2015?

What is it for Westminster?

 

Hopefully they have learned their lesson after propping up Mad bloody May!!

What is it for Westminster?

 

Hopefully they have learned their lesson after propping up Mad bloody May!!

It was only a Holyrood poll!

New Holyrood poll, first full Scottish poll since the GE:

 

SNP 42% (-5 from Holyrood 2016, +5 from Westminster 2017)

CON 26% (+4, -3)

LAB 22% (-1, -5)

LIB 6% (-2, -1)

GREEN 2% (+1, +2)

OTHER 2% (+1, +1)

 

Way better for us than I was expecting, I honestly thought Labour would be ahead after everything *.* All the Westminster sub-samples have showed it a lot closer, maybe there's more people differentiating their vote between Westminster and Holyrood again like until 2015?

In which case, you can't compare that poll with June's Westminster result.

 

That's still a 9% drop on the March poll for the SNP, and that's the first time the Tories have ever polled above 25% in Holyrood's 20 year lifetime (their first poll over 20% occurred in April 2016).

 

The next Holyrood election isn't for 4 years, when Brexit will be complete but its legacy far from over, and political discourse could well have gone through a step change by then. So I'm not placing too much importance on polls.

Another update :

 

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

Tories need to go.

 

Awful fat cats and aristocrats and privatising dolts. #handsoffournhs

Tories need to go.

 

Awful fat cats and aristocrats and privatising dolts. #handsoffournhs

 

That sounds like me, 30 years ago! ;)

What is it for Westminster?

 

Hopefully they have learned their lesson after propping up Mad bloody May!!

 

At least May is still in power and not hardline right wing Jacob Rees Mogg (often cited as the favourite to take over) though! Small crumb of comfort.

Edited September 28, 20177 yr by NorthsideHisser

At least May is still in power and not hardline right wing Jacob Rees Mogg (often cited as the favourite to take over) though! Small crumb of comfort.

 

Anything's better than Red Jeremy!

That awful caricature of aristocracy needs to be nowhere near power!!

 

I remember bein disgusted by him and his sneaky eyes the first time I saw him.on some comedy programme, but people loved him.due to his Bullington boy debate quips. Now they have woken up to the fanger, and the silver lining is he woulf probably do even worse than Mad May!

That awful caricature of aristocracy needs to be nowhere near power!!

 

I remember bein disgusted by him and his sneaky eyes the first time I saw him.on some comedy programme, but people loved him.due to his Bullington boy debate quips. Now they have woken up to the fanger, and the silver lining is he woulf probably do even worse than Mad May!

 

Yes he seems very right wing in his views even for a Conservative and also has controversial views on social issues. I don't think he is favourite to take over any more thankfully.

Edited September 28, 20177 yr by NorthsideHisser

He is beyond vile.

I'm surprised nobody here has commented on this :

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/leave-vo...h-a3646421.html

 

I can't help noticing the article doesn't give a % for Remain voters though, even though it can be found in the original report

 

http://natcen.ac.uk/media/1484235/racial-p...eport-final.pdf

 

 

Edited October 3, 20177 yr by vidcapper

I'm surprised nobody here has commented on this :

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/leave-vo...h-a3646421.html

 

I can't help noticing the article doesn't give a % for Remain voters though, even though it can be found in the original report

 

http://natcen.ac.uk/media/1484235/racial-p...eport-final.pdf

Brits who voted Leave in the EU referendum are more likely to describe themselves as "racially prejudiced" than those who voted Remain, according to new research.

 

A survey of 2,220 people found that 34% of Leave voters admitted holding racist attitudes compared to 18% of Remain voters.

It's literally in the second paragraph.

It's literally in the second paragraph.

 

Oops, my bad. :)

 

**************

 

My point in posting this though, is that if you recognise prejudice in yourself, you can consciously refuse to act on it.

 

What I've found with real hardline racists though, is that they refuse to recognise it within themselves. and very often have the delusion that everyone secretly thinks like them, but are too PC to admit it. :wacko:

Edited October 3, 20177 yr by vidcapper

As ridiculous as it may sound, if we had to vote again tomorrow I would be voting Labour. I don't agree with Jezza's ideas (well a significant majority) but this current Conservative government is beyond terrible. I think it really is time for the Under 35s to fight back.