I agree.

 

On Burnham, he's positioning himself for the next inevitable leadership contest as someone who can straddle both camps.

 

Compared to the slavering Tories, Burnham would seem a breath of fresh air 5 or 10 years from now...unless Dan Jarvis steps in by then.

Burnham's missed his chance now.

Some might have said that about a 66-year-old never-was-been, though it's hard to see a two-time loser making a comeback and winning it may all depend on what state the internal politics of labour is in after it convincingly loses the next election.

 

That's not to say I disagree with many of Corbyn's opinions, but he's got too many nutty (aka illogical and contradictory with other statements he makes) policies to convince the electorate overall. I anticipate a "leftward lean" (compared to current policies) by the Tories about a year before the next election with lots of sweeteners if it looks anything like a close race...

I can't see Corbyn being leader in 2020. I'd put money on Nandy, Creasy or Jarvis depending on how well things are going.

Neither can I. For every rational and sane proposal that makes sense there's at least 3 other proposals or statements that are utterly bonkers, irrational or unfeasible.

I don't know why the Conservatives are throwing so much effort at discrediting Corbyn - he does a reasonable job of it himself.

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I don't know why the Conservatives are throwing so much effort at discrediting Corbyn - he does a reasonable job of it himself.

They aren't. They're throwing so much effort at linking Corbyn to Labour and defining Labour as dangerous for a generation. Again.

well that didn't take long to appear did it...

 

speaking as an almost total pacifist, I'm against war, war-crimes, fighting, violence, I was a major critic of the Iraq and Falklands wars, I was against the various military actions against cherry-picked countries while others just as heinous are "friends", and I can't abide hypocrisy. I'm aware that dialogue with terrorists is often the lesser of two evils, because peace is preferable to ongoing hatred and death, but to describe them as "friends" and somehow heroes is repulsive to all of the innocent victims of murder they have carried out. Two wrongs do not make a right, all you are doing is picking sides and saying the ends justify the means.

 

There's no way that sort of attitude and policy will ever get my vote because it's hypocrisy. Claiming we need more housing (to be paid for by printing money - an inflationary disaster in waiting) on the one hand while not killing Right To Buy off dead and in fact extending it to the private sector (basically large cash sums giveaways paid for by the taxpayer for people paying rent and encouraging yet more national debt) is insane economics. And is hypocritical.

 

 

The man's a buffoon. Come back Ed....!

 

 

They aren't. They're throwing so much effort at linking Corbyn to Labour and defining Labour as dangerous for a generation. Again.

 

True, although him being party leader kinda makes that link already does it not?

So how about resurrecting Cameron's support for retaining Section 28? Or his expenses-paid trip to apartheid South Africa while Corbyn was getting into trouble for demonstrating outside South Africa House? Or the Bullingdon club?

True, although him being party leader kinda makes that link already does it not?

They're trying to make the definition that this is what Labour's *really* like, and always just a step away from being - ergo, 'even if they get rid of Corbyn you still can't trust them, because they're just putting a pretty face on it'.

So how about resurrecting Cameron's support for retaining Section 28? Or his expenses-paid trip to apartheid South Africa while Corbyn was getting into trouble for demonstrating outside South Africa House? Or the Bullingdon club?

Well, it's not as if that isn't the popular view of what the Tories are all about anyway (and it's not as if Labour activists haven't already been referring to that for years). Didn't really make a difference.

Well, it's not as if that isn't the popular view of what the Tories are all about anyway (and it's not as if Labour activists haven't already been referring to that for years). Didn't really make a difference.

Labour activists don't reach as large an audience as the Tory press. That's the problem every other party faces.

You're telling me you don't think most people are more than aware Cameron was a member of the Bullingdon Club?

And anyway, as if an ordinary person who'd seen the security video wouldn't be blanching enough already, what on EARTH do you think they'd make of it if they asked a Labour activist about it and got the response 'Did you know Cameron was in the Bullingdon Club and used to support Section 28 and went to South Africa during apartheid?'?! I mean...

The main issue with things like Section 28 and his apparent support for apartheid is that he has never been confronted about it. He has never been asked how he went from supporting Section 28 to supporting same sex marriage. Cameron is a total fraud, but he gets away with it.

the vast majority of people aren't aware of Cameron's views on anything much, he's a sort of plastic automaton morphing into whatever anybody wants him to be. It's up to the Labour Party to make these things more widely known, though most people would still be more concerend by his current behaviour as both those battles were lost (no thanks to the Tories) and are dead issues.

the vast majority of people aren't aware of Cameron's views on anything much, he's a sort of plastic automaton morphing into whatever anybody wants him to be. It's up to the Labour Party to make these things more widely known, though most people would still be more concerend by his current behaviour as both those battles were lost (no thanks to the Tories) and are dead issues.

I don't think Cameron is aware of his views on anything much.

So how many Corbyn election promises (or "discussion ideas") will make it to the end of the week?

 

So far I count at least 3 key ones dropped maybe more. I wonder how optimistic his voters will be at finding out they were just pie in the sky?