He knows Labour is moving to the centre so is moving to the left of them like the liberals always do in these circumstances!

Well the examples I gave are just basic human decency, morality and human rights for all. What a sad state our country has become if that is not where the "centre" of Britain is at.

Ed Dave is returning to the Paddy Ashdown tactic of concentrating fire on the Tories instead of trying to attack two other parties at once. This makes sense. Not only are the Tories in power but 80 of the 91 seats where the Lib Dems came second in 2019 are held by Tory MPs.

Ed Dave is returning to the Paddy Ashdown tactic of concentrating fire on the Tories instead of trying to attack two other parties at once. This makes sense. Not only are the Tories in power but 80 of the 91 seats where the Lib Dems came second in 2019 are held by Tory MPs.

 

It's a solid tactic and usually when the Lib Dems do well, Labour does well so let's see it if it has any affect. There are holes in a lot of those Tory seats in the south which are more affluent.

 

Must say, reading back in this thread I was a little shocked to see people giving the Lib Dems such a hard time over lessening their Re-join the EU stance. We are not rejoining the EU within the next 5 years, and it's unlikely to be even on the cards for the next 10 years. The last election told us the electorate was bored by Brexit and wanted it done. I don't see how saying 'we need to the EU' at every given opportunity is a good look to win back voters over the next 12-18 months. It's abundantly clear to me even that the Party is still massively Pro-EU, but there is a time and a place for that tactic and it's not right now. Plant the seeds that the issues are related to Brexit, but campaigning to re-join the EU would be a massive mistake publicly.

 

With the Lib Dems siding with the Tory CRG rebels to vote against the Covid Passes, my support for the Lib Dems in this upcoming by-election is rather ambivalent. :(

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With the Lib Dems siding with the Tory CRG rebels to vote against the Covid Passes, my support for the Lib Dems in this upcoming by-election is rather ambivalent. :(

The fact that the three-times vaccinated Ed Davey tested positive for Covid today shows why I don't see the point of Covid passes.

Plus the Tories are trying to destroy our NHS, legal system, right to protest, human rights for refugees and have ruined our economy with ultra hard Brexit. Not to mention their corruption. To be ambivalent about them losing a seat on Thursday is something I can’t agree with. They are the most despicable government and need to be taught a lesson.

With the Lib Dems siding with the Tory CRG rebels to vote against the Covid Passes, my support for the Lib Dems in this upcoming by-election is rather ambivalent. :(

 

In fairness, if I understood correctly, the Lib Dems don't oppose the policy of negative lateral flow tests being required for entry to big events / night clubs, only the exemption for people with the so-called vaccine passport from having to take one for entry.

The fact that the three-times vaccinated Ed Davey tested positive for Covid today shows why I don't see the point of Covid passes.

mRNA breakthrough rates (pre-Omricon) were 0,05% for BioNTech and 0,03% for Moderna in Germany in late November: https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/thema/corona/...-antworten.html

 

1,01% and 0,41% in Switzerland for the same vaccines.

 

 

Breakthrough infections are extremely rare and remain the exception not the rule, so a VaxPass is an extremely effective public health measure. We have had them in place since March or April and it broke the 3rd wave and it is breaking the 4th wave too. The new 2G rules mean that it is finally properly enforced in Berlin and it is such a joy. Was at a 2G+ xmas market on Friday and they had automated scanners to check the validity, it was superb. (We had to wear masks, hence the 2G+ rather than 2G)

 

 

 

I don't understand how so many Brits are against them or don't see the point in them when countless countries have data that shows they do work and they a great way to avoid a lockdown. The amount of crap i see on my social media about the half assed Scottish one is infuriating. (the weak nature of Scotlands is also irritating)

 

 

I guess part of it is that its harder to see some of the benefits to the system when you're outside of it.

It’s a political ideological argument and the usual suspects in the Tory right are raging at the gills. I’m surprised the Lib Dems are opposed but maybe should have known better!

Lib Dem traditionally take a libertariran stance to matters such as this whilst Labour is more authouritarian (especially the Blair wing). I'm glad that this has caused Johnson embarrassment, although not bothered either way about vaccine passports. But the Tories tha voted for no mask legislation are dangerous psychopaths.

Bringing this topic back because I expect the Lib Dem’s to double their seats i the next election which could be within the year. Ed Davey is leading the conference this week if you didn’t know it was on and the members voted down the leadership on a number of policies that they aren’t happy with party direction.

 

Seems that Ed is turning the party centre right in order to have a chance of breaking the blue wall next year.

Ed Davey was out in front of a removal service for tories banner this morning. Funny that Ed because you and your cronies helped them into power in 2010.

Yeah, they're just ... awful! Party of ineffective neolib capitalists. They also caused Brexshit as well, as far as I'm concerned, by siding wirh Blojo for an ego election for Jo.

The Lib Dems' biggest contributions in recent months has been their use of FOI legislation.They have been putting out countless press releases about issues such as NHS waiting lists, dumping of shit into rivers etc.

Although the Lib Dems have, perhaps inevitably, gone quiet about re-joining the EU, they have more progressive policies than the main two parties about trans rights, asylum and disability. They get absolutely no coverage in the press - partly due to the lack of interest in the leader (although the last one, arguably two) had more negative than reactions than positives. But I think it's mainly because the media is even more partisan than 10 years or so ago.

 

Hope they get shed loads of seats off the Tories in their preferred areas.

They have more progreeeive policies simply because Labour have moved to the right so they will the left gap like they did under Blair. We all know they manoeuvre round that centrist position depending on the leader/who the PM is.