July 9, 20178 yr Rihanna is simply the only highest profile female artist who's releasing music on current trends right now. That's why she's still doing well. Also helped out by her having That is exactly it. The hugely popular genres now are tropical house, future bass/generic Chainsmokers EDM, hip hop (Unforgettable-esque) & the odd pop track which survives the filter. There's hardly any high profile female acts catering to these tastes (rightly or wrongly) hence why there are hardly any at the top.
July 9, 20178 yr Artists skew to certain demographics. The big male artists at the moment skew to male/females, I'd argue the only female acts to achieve this right now are Adele/Rihanna. Infact I'd argue a lot of the examples used in this thread are examples of average songs. Music is subjective of course, but part of the reason Sorry and One Dance did so well, is because they are great pop songs that appeal to a lot of people... I think partly the reason the likes of Katy Perry/Lady GaGa have struggled is because their new material is largely sub-standard to their old stuff. I think often the lyrical content can alienate the male audience, whereas that does not seem to be the case for male artists. Taylor Swift will be fine if she has a massive pop banger.
July 10, 20178 yr Artists skew to certain demographics. The big male artists at the moment skew to male/females, I'd argue the only female acts to achieve this right now are Adele/Rihanna. Infact I'd argue a lot of the examples used in this thread are examples of average songs. Music is subjective of course, but part of the reason Sorry and One Dance did so well, is because they are great pop songs that appeal to a lot of people... I think partly the reason the likes of Katy Perry/Lady GaGa have struggled is because their new material is largely sub-standard to their old stuff. I think often the lyrical content can alienate the male audience, whereas that does not seem to be the case for male artists. Taylor Swift will be fine if she has a massive pop banger. I'm sorry. This is bullshit - there is loads of female pop songs that aren't ''subpar'' and have relatable lyrics that haven't done as well as they should have. Crying In The Club, The Line, Your Song, Ciao Adios, Be The One ... to name a few, whilst some of those have done okay they haven't done as well if they were male lead. It's just a very male dominated industry at the moment, it's going backwards and it's so hard for a female pop star to get a hit now, it's actually really sad. I don't think the quality has anything to do with it, nor does the lyrics. We have male lead songs about treating girls like scum, but when it's a female empowering song like say, Most Girls or Instruction it ''alienates'' the poor fragile male egos. Awww.
July 10, 20178 yr I'm sorry. This is bullshit - there is loads of female pop songs that aren't ''subpar'' and have relatable lyrics that haven't done as well as they should have. Crying In The Club, The Line, Your Song, Ciao Adios, Be The One ... to name a few, whilst some of those have done okay they haven't done as well if they were male lead. It's just a very male dominated industry at the moment, it's going backwards and it's so hard for a female pop star to get a hit now, it's actually really sad. I don't think the quality has anything to do with it, nor does the lyrics. We have male lead songs about treating girls like scum, but when it's a female empowering song like say, Most Girls or Instruction it ''alienates'' the poor fragile male egos. Awww. If this is truly the case (and I can see the argument) then why do girls love these songs too? Like in theory you would be right, then in the past I have seen plenty of girls getting down to songs like Loyal, Freak Of The Week, Trap Queen etc. and it makes me think the lyrical content doesn't matter to most people. It is probably a lot simpler than is being made out and some of the examples you have used such as Crying In The Club, Ciao Adios and Be The One have done very well already. It could just be the case that the big artists right now, with some notable exceptions, are male. Drake, Bieber, The Weeknd, Kendrick etc. Not without mentioning the 1D boys all releasing solo material and the explosion of Grime and UK rap.
July 10, 20178 yr If this is truly the case (and I can see the argument) then why do girls love these songs too? Like in theory you would be right, then in the past I have seen plenty of girls getting down to songs like Loyal, Freak Of The Week, Trap Queen etc. and it makes me think the lyrical content doesn't matter to most people. It is probably a lot simpler than is being made out and some of the examples you have used such as Crying In The Club, Ciao Adios and Be The One have done very well already. It could just be the case that the big artists right now, with some notable exceptions, are male. Drake, Bieber, The Weeknd, Kendrick etc. Not without mentioning the 1D boys all releasing solo material and the explosion of Grime and UK rap. A lot of the time it doesn't. They just want a song with a good beat and that they can dance too. If you ask people what they're about, half the time they can't even tell you.
July 10, 20178 yr exactly, the lyrics aren't as important as the melody and the beat. this is especially the case ever since the EDM boom and the rise in popularity of US rap.
July 10, 20178 yr exactly, the lyrics aren't as important as the melody and the beat. this is especially the case ever since the EDM boom and the rise in popularity of US rap. Exactly, all the people listening to 'Wild Thoughts' right now don't care about the lyrical content of Bryson Tiller's rap. It didn't stop 'Blurred Lines' becoming one of the biggest songs of the decade. I don't think 'fragile male egos' comes into it at all. 'You Don't Know Me' was a huge hit across both genders for example.
July 10, 20178 yr Why is EDM so dominated by male artists- David Guetta, Calvin Harris etc, where are the female DJ', where are the female David Guetta and Calvin Harris's, EDM has to the most sexist genre in music right now
July 10, 20178 yr Most of those songs listed would never have been chart toppers even if released back in 2010 or so. Ciao Adios screams top 5 peak. Same for Your Song, very sparse production. Crying in the Club might have sold decently off Camila Cabello's name and then freefalled down the chart in its following few weeks. Ultimately, Cabello is one member from a not that successful girl group in the UK that only had a handful of hits before she left. More Nicole Scherzinger than Cheryl Cole, and that's at a push. Be The One would have done a lot better if it wasn't up against 15 chart-eligible Ed Sheeran 'singles' at the same time, and might without those have still gone top 5 this year. Something like Most Girls is exactly the kind of pop song that could easily hoover up plays if that music was in vogue right now, but it isn't. An X Factor performance or a performance on TOTP would have boosted it significantly too, but we don't have those forms of promo right now. The only music promo shows is talk shows and stuff like Graham Norton which only attract the existing big guns, or more 'cool' styled acts. Right now, the acts getting the #1s are those that already have big money and power behind them. UK #1 singles this year so far have come from: Ed Sheeran (international A-list), Harry Styles (international A-list), Justin Bieber x2 (international A-list), a charity song, and Clean Bandit x2 (UK A-list). Going back to 2016, #1s went to Bieber x2, Zayn (international A-list), Drake (international A-list), Little Mix (UK A-list), Chainsmokers and Mike Posner (on-trend EDM), and Lukas Graham and James Arthur (sentimental mass appeal ballads). Really, we haven't had any surprise #1 singles for a long time now. The real issue is that there haven't been any notable releases by A-list women to be in contention over the last 2 years. Edited July 10, 20178 yr by 360Jupiter
July 10, 20178 yr Why is EDM so dominated by male artists- David Guetta, Calvin Harris etc, where are the female DJ', where are the female David Guetta and Calvin Harris's, EDM has to the most sexist genre in music right now There simply aren't many female DJs, music production and DJing just appeal far more to men than women. We had NERVO who got a few minor hits but they're not making on-trend music now.
July 10, 20178 yr This is interesting although 3 years old https://musicmachinery.com/2014/02/10/gende...ific-listening/ MAle artists have always had more support from both genders than female artists and now in consumption era it shows more than ever Not true look at the X factor winners the female ones did better than the male ones
July 10, 20178 yr Not true look at the X factor winners the female ones did better than the male ones And then let's look at non-winners i.e. Olly Murs, JLS, One Direction...
July 10, 20178 yr It's just that men listen to male more than females and women listen to females but also male. Female artists that are liked by men are huge: Rihanna, Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, Adele. (Beyoncé would also flood the Spotify top 50 if she released her music there, she's one of the biggest if not THE biggest star on planet) But then men are not very likely to listen to Selena Gomez or Demi Lovato. Edited July 10, 20178 yr by SKOB
July 10, 20178 yr And then let's look at non-winners i.e. Olly Murs, JLS, One Direction... That's not the point I'm making they were saying males have always been supported more than female
July 10, 20178 yr That's not the point I'm making they were saying males have always been supported more than female My post is a counter to the point you felt you were making... Edited July 10, 20178 yr by Lenny
July 10, 20178 yr My post is a counter to the point you felt you were making... Nope clearly they supported the female winners more than the male ones with both voting and chart sales
July 10, 20178 yr Nope clearly they supported the female winners more than the male ones with both voting and chart sales Yeah they did but the big selling non-winners are the males. JLS, Olly Murs and especially One Direction have been huge. 1D probably bigger than Leona, and I feel stupid even saying 'probably'. James Arthur on a par with how successful Alexandra Burke was and he's still going. Little Mix may go on to be bigger than Leona too. Ella Henderson may yet buck the trend for non-winners we'll see.
July 10, 20178 yr I for one would like to see another female "supergroup" get to #1 such as in these examples; RQa7SvVCdZk UoTONmgn7uM 0HDdjwpPM3Y This one also came to mind, albeit not a #1 single; PxW3SGuBO2I
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