Actually according to a ComRes poll, only 1% of those who voted Leave said they regretted making that decision, which would not have been enough to swing the vote had they either abstained or voted for the other side. What is more interesting however is that from the same survey, 4% of Remainers said that they were HAPPY with the results.

 

Disclaimer - although that poll has been floating around Twitter the past 24 hours, I should say that so far I haven't been able to find the original poll online yet.

I guess there are surely some remain voters who voted false or regretted their votes just there are no statistics about it :lol:

I guess there are surely some remain voters who voted false or regretted their votes just there are no statistics about it :lol:

 

I somehow doubt there are 634,751 of them, though...

If Remain had won, I would have been very disappointed, but I would have accepted the result. However, that wouldn't have changed my belief that the EU is a very bad entity.

 

As for my attitude, do you seriously believe that the Remain camp wouldn't have been gloating had they won, and condemning as anti-democratic anyone who questioned the result?

 

Nobody is questioning the result. I know from the many many Leavers I know well that there was a giddy "f*** you f*** the consequences" hysteria which made it all too predictable. I personally am questioning the outrageous lies that were told in order to persuade undecided people, and the Project Fear bullshit (which has already turned out to be Project Sensible Risk Management). The points I made earlier are pointing out the lies. You have no comeback to prove they werent lies because they were lies, and the other lies will or wont become obvious as time passes. The assurances that they peddled (NOTE: NOT FACTS) will be blatantly obvious within a few years and there will be no hiding place from them, as I and a lot of very annoyed people (half the electorate) will take great pains to remind them. The sensible, logical, caring, intelligent half of the electorate.

 

Yes, believe it or not, we CARE about people.

I somehow doubt there are 634,751 of them, though...

You really really want to say the opposite what I said but you totally misunderstood it. :lol:

There are surely some voters who voted to remain in the EU but they voted false or did regret it ( they wanted to vote for leave).

On my way to Rihanna on Friday night a group of drunk 'lads' got on a Baker Street and were chanting 'we're out, we're out, we're out! f*** the Pols, f*** the French and f*** the Nazis'. Aside from being somewhat SCARED, I was also baffled, I can't believe people voted Leave with this attitude.

I don't think a second ref will happen. But the fact so many exiers are already saying they regret their choice, feel lied to, didn't think their vote would matter and that it was just 'protest' vote...I do think this needs to be taken into account with the government given 16+ million people DID vote to stay and the fact he country already feels like a shambles despite us not even being near leaving the EU yet.

 

But how on earth do you quantify how many people regret their vote, or even if they were actually 'Leavers' in the first place, rather than Remainers claiming to be 'Leavers with buyers remorse'?

 

You were 7 in 1975 (unless your age profile is a lie).

 

My age profile is correct - your maths isn't. :)

 

I was born in 1965, so I was nearly 10 at the time of the referendum

 

I never said YOU said all of those things. I said the LIARS in the Leave campaign said all of those things which convinced (say) 4% of the electorate to vote for them. You can't predict what will happen one way or the other, personally, and neither can I or anyone else with certainty. It is, however, likely that the experts who were right about the short term consequences (and the Leave campaign were wrong) will be proved right in the long run.

 

The things I listed were just examples of the instant result of leaving. I won;t bother going into the long-term consequences, they will all be fairly obvious over the next 2 years. They won't be good. You seem to think thats a price worth paying. Thats a selfish attitude and you wont necessarily be the one paying for it. Others will.

 

It's not sour grapes, it's frustration with people who willingly forced others into a disastrous event based on lies.

No-one was *forced* to vote the way they did. BTW, where did that 4% come from?

 

 

 

 

On my way to Rihanna on Friday night a group of drunk 'lads' got on a Baker Street and were chanting 'we're out, we're out, we're out! f*** the Pols, f*** the French and f*** the Nazis'. Aside from being somewhat SCARED, I was also baffled, I can't believe people voted Leave with this attitude.

 

A small minority undoubtedly did - but I'm sure most made a choice based on a genuine conviction we'd be better off out.

On my way to Rihanna on Friday night a group of drunk 'lads' got on a Baker Street and were chanting 'we're out, we're out, we're out! f*** the Pols, f*** the French and f*** the Nazis'. Aside from being somewhat SCARED, I was also baffled, I can't believe people voted Leave with this attitude.

 

It's all Pawel from Poland's fault that our country is a mess. Leave me told so it must be true. I don't believe experts, but I believe these people... sums it up about right.

I mean, that is exactly what you might expect from children, Joe. And drunk adults aren't too far off. But thinking that there are people out there who voted leave like that is scary (and makes a mockery of the democratic process, one of the biggest disappointments about this has been seeing how uninformed we are and how unwilling we are to change that, 'had enough of experts etc', it's a dangerous culture of anti-intellectualism that will be an utter nightmare to deal with).

 

If Remain had won, I would have been very disappointed, but I would have accepted the result. However, that wouldn't have changed my belief that the EU is a very bad entity.

 

As for my attitude, do you seriously believe that the Remain camp wouldn't have been gloating had they won, and condemning as anti-democratic anyone who questioned the result?

 

I have never been on the winning side in an election at national level before, and even just from the main two I have experienced I've made it a promise to myself to not condemn any voter who wants to explain why them losing has been the wrong decision in any future one where I may win. Because the most infuriating thing from this has been those gloating leavers invoking the 'it is democracy now keep quiet' clause, firstly because it's telling half the country to be quiet when they're very scared of the future (and indeed voted so they could comment on the result), and secondly because democracy is not this guiding light of a perfect system that must not be questioned, it has its flaws just like all the others. Its flaws include that it can produce results like these that are disastrous for the country in question - partly because of lying career politicians.

Because the most infuriating thing from this has been those gloating leavers invoking the 'it is democracy now keep quiet' clause, firstly because it's telling half the country to be quiet when they're very scared of the future (and indeed voted so they could comment on the result), and secondly because democracy is not this guiding light of a perfect system that must not be questioned, it has its flaws just like all the others. Its flaws include that it can produce results like these that are disastrous for the country in question - partly because of lying career politicians.

 

I voted remain, but I find it equally infuriating that those on the remain side are calling for another referendum when had the result been reversed they would be the first to say 'democracy has spoken' etc. Before the referendum Frank Field said whoever wins the result has to be accepted by both sides and I think that is fair. What should be taken into account is the huge divide in public opinion and the huge number that voted remain, and this should absolutely be taken into account when the negotiations for exit are under way.

I agree with Doctor Blind as I do believe holding a second referendum could create a problematic precedent and what has been done is done. The reason that I am angry with the result though is the reasons why many leave voters have voted the way they have. I do not understand how you can risk a whole nation's future by focusing on one aspect and ignoring many other crucial issues.

I voted remain, but I find it equally infuriating that those on the remain side are calling for another referendum when had the result been reversed they would be the first to say 'democracy has spoken' etc. Before the referendum Frank Field said whoever wins the result has to be accepted by both sides and I think that is fair. What should be taken into account is the huge divide in public opinion and the huge number that voted remain, and this should absolutely be taken into account when the negotiations for exit are under way.

 

It's hypocrisy from both sides. You can bet if the vote was this close and Remain won, Leave would also be calling for a 2nd referendum. While I don't expect one, I think it could possibly be on the table (very very slim chance). But it's a result of where democracy doesn't work in this instance. I fail to see how a 2% majority can make a lifetime decision when so many ill facts were spouted. People voted for freedom, but they have no idea what freedom actually looks like.

 

You're right in that we certainly won't be giving the great big FU to the EU like a lot of people want, but the worry of this (and when it's announced that we inevitably still offer free movement of people and EU laws) it will plunge those ill-educated about this possibility right back in to the hands of UKIP.

You lot are still debating the result? I wonder how many pages long this thread will be eventually.

 

It was a bad result but the decision has been made now and it's not going to change so you have to try and move on with your lives and don't let the result consume or torment you. Those people who signed a petition for a 2nd referendum are just wasting their time because there's no chance in hell that will happen even if every single person in the UK signed it.

That is why we need to hold a general election in the medium term, to have a clear plan set out on the terms of exit from all parties on which to vote on - will we have a Switzerland style relationship for example? (they voted 50.3% to 49.7% to not be a member of the EU in December 1992), we won't leave until at the very earliest January 2019 so there is plenty of time to take stock. This question is not just on the type of trading relationship that we will have with the eurozone, but how the country will change too. I.e. The poor and neglected parts of Wales, the North and East, that unanimously voted to leave need greater investment and support to help build a more inclusive/cohesive and integrated society in which will ultimately work to manage immigration. Housing needs to be URGENTLY addressed - not the lacklustre Conservative legislation that has actually worked to support builders, wealthy owner-occupiers and landlords over the renters it claims to support.

You lot are still debating the result? I wonder how many pages long this thread will be eventually.

 

It was a bad result but the decision has been made now and it's not going to change so you have to try and move on with your lives and don't let the result consume or torment you. Those people who signed a petition for a 2nd referendum are just wasting their time because there's no chance in hell that will happen even if every single person in the UK signed it.

 

It is far from over yet, our country is on the brink of a political meltdown.

 

This is also likely to be the most important decision made in our lifetime.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scot...litics-36633244

Why do people keep saying that we need to accept the decision and move on? We didn't vote for this so of course we're going to fight for it, especially due to the circumstances

Why do people keep saying that we need to accept the decision and move on? We didn't vote for this so of course we're going to fight for it, especially due to the circumstances

If you want you can let this result eat you up inside like a cancer for the rest of your life or you can try to move on from a decision that has been made and wont change. It's your choice.

If you want you can let this result eat you up inside like a cancer for the rest of your life or you can try to move on from a decision that has been made and wont change. It's your choice.

 

how can I move on when currently I am uncertain about not only my own future but the future of the country I live in? This isn't something to just "move on" with and I'm going to continue fighting for what I believe in. This decision has been made but it's FAR from over

Plot twist. The petition to have a 2nd referendum was started by a Leave voter a month before the vote on the assumption that Remain were going to win! :lol:

But the decision IS going to effect us, possibly for the 'rest of our life'. It's not like when we have a new PM for a few years, this could literally drive people out of the country.