June 26, 20169 yr It looks like at least one person has benefited financially from Brexit. The author of this opportunistic e-book for example - I'd tell you what it's about, but I'd rather not have to explain what it's doing on my Kindle when I lend it to friends.
June 26, 20169 yr NON! EU slaps down Sturgeon: SNP leader dramatically announces she wants 'immediate discussions' to STAY in EU... but she is humiliated as Brussels says 'No, that's not how it works' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-36...-not-works.html The Daily Mail... :rolleyes:
June 26, 20169 yr She got a bit of a shock too... NON! EU slaps down Sturgeon: SNP leader dramatically announces she wants 'immediate discussions' to STAY in EU... but she is humiliated as Brussels says 'No, that's not how it works' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-36...-not-works.html Brexiter reveals self to have selective reading skills non-shocker. Nothing about Scotland not being able to stay in, just a briefing paper that has been 'seen' by a newspaper that last printed something truthful in 1896 that suggests a 'reverse greenland' isn't possible - which let's be honest we knew was highly unlikely but have to explore as it IS a theoretical option. We need to look at all the options that are theoretically possible to respect the way that Scotland voted. It's the only way to ensure that the democratic mandate for indyref2 is secure and undeniable.
June 26, 20169 yr You can shove your Daily Mail story. Germany is ready to welcome us as an independent state: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZC0QT #indyref2 #f***itybyeracists
June 26, 20169 yr I guess it's looking incredibly likely then - this is the end of the UK :cry: Northern Ireland will surely follow Scotland out?
June 26, 20169 yr I guess it's looking incredibly likely then - this is the end of the UK :cry: Northern Ireland will surely follow Scotland out? There's a long way to yet before it happens. But it's highly likely, hence why I think there are more twists and turns in this yet. Keeping the Union together is more important than leaving the EU. Hence why anyone who thinks we can get all this sorted in 6 months is a muppet. Northern Ireland has been put to the back in all this, but I think it's more important an issue than Scotland. You're going to get some crazy social issues over there now.
June 26, 20169 yr Northern Ireland is a complicated one as unlike Scotland, which would become an independent country, Northern Ireland leaving the UK would more than likely result in us joining the Republic in a United Ireland, as there's not a snowball's chance in hell of NI surviving as an independent country. Of course, around half of NI won't be too happy about that, which means that this could be the biggest threat to peace and stability here since the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. It's going to be a scary few months here until it becomes clear what's going to happen.
June 26, 20169 yr From the comments section on the Guardian website: If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost. Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron. With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership. How? Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor. And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew. The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction. The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50? Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders? Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated. If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act. The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice. When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take. All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
June 26, 20169 yr When Johnson joined the Leave campaign a few months ago (a matter of weeks after writing a pro-EU article for the Telegraph), I said that he would be campaigning for Boris Johnson as he always does. I don't think it's too fanciful to suggest that he did so in the expectation that Remain would win, but that he would be enhancing his chances of succeeding Cameron. It would have suited him to take over some time around late 2019 with the UK still very much in the EU. That would have given him a few months before the 2020 election, enough time to change the curtains in Number Ten, but not long enough for the electorate to realise just how right-wing a government he would lead.
June 26, 20169 yr how can I move on when currently I am uncertain about not only my own future but the future of the country I live in? This isn't something to just "move on" with and I'm going to continue fighting for what I believe in. This decision has been made but it's FAR from over THIS!! Passion moves history. Through passion and not giving up due to an ignorant, Sun-reading 4% extra, we can overturn this grubby nonsense decision.
June 26, 20169 yr When Johnson joined the Leave campaign a few months ago (a matter of weeks after writing a pro-EU article for the Telegraph), I said that he would be campaigning for Boris Johnson as he always does. I don't think it's too fanciful to suggest that he did so in the expectation that Remain would win, but that he would be enhancing his chances of succeeding Cameron. It would have suited him to take over some time around late 2019 with the UK still very much in the EU. That would have given him a few months before the 2020 election, enough time to change the curtains in Number Ten, but not long enough for the electorate to realise just how right-wing a government he would lead. I think he hoped the campaign would split for the Conservative party, Remain would narrowly win and he would swoop in, negotiate an even better EU deal and unite the Conservative party. At least that is my outside opinion. Thing is now is both Gove and Boris have dug a hole for themselves as they know in their hearts how bad the process of leaving the EU will be, and Boris won't want to be the man to pull the trigger. I think he will become the most hated man in the UK once the full effects are felt. This is without him already losing the support of half of the Conservative party who are annoyed he chose himself over his own party. This is the sort of mess we needed to avoid. Part of me wants this to be as painful as possible just so I can take the moral high ground.
June 26, 20169 yr I think he hoped the campaign would split for the Conservative party, Remain would narrowly win and he would swoop in, negotiate an even better EU deal and unite the Conservative party. At least that is my outside opinion. Thing is now is both Gove and Boris have dug a hole for themselves as they know in their hearts how bad the process of leaving the EU will be, and Boris won't want to be the man to pull the trigger. I think he will become the most hated man in the UK once the full effects are felt. This is without him already losing the support of half of the Conservative party who are annoyed he chose himself over his own party. This is the sort of mess we needed to avoid. Part of me wants this to be as painful as possible just so I can take the moral high ground. I think we are similar people, which is why we always get on! I am also bitter about this and I have the exact same opinions as you. I almost want the Little Englanders to learn their lesson from this.
June 26, 20169 yr From the comments section on the Guardian website: fab article. Which I was pushing immediately before the result was confirmed that Johnson and Gove should take control. They should have no one to blame but themselves. Any other Tory minister stupid enough to take the job on would take the blame for failures while Johnnogoveface sit on their arses and bask in the Told You So's You Shoulda let Me Do It. I personally think the voting thinking public (who lets face it are the engines of the country) should keep the pressure on. It's very easy (as ruthless employers prove and I expect Johnson to veer towards) to replace or cut wages of unskilled workers, but skilled workers are harder to ignore. Even if it's a lost battle, they know that half the electorate will LOATHE them now if it all goes tits up (those who didnt want to leave the EU) while the other half could turn if they find their wages dropping or jobs disappearing. Effectively that could wipe out the Tory Party. To which some of us can say a happy hooray, thank God and good riddance. I love potential irony.
June 26, 20169 yr People keep on saying 'not all people that voted leave are racist, and it's very patronising to keep saying that'. This I agree with, BUT, the fact is, if we were to take out the votes from the people who DID vote with racial motivation, would we have left? I guess we'll never know for sure, but I'm thinking no.
June 26, 20169 yr People keep on saying 'not all people that voted leave are racist, and it's very patronising to keep saying that'. This I agree with, BUT, the fact is, if we were to take out the votes from the people who DID vote with racial motivation, would we have left? I guess we'll never know for sure, but I'm thinking no. I think it's already been summed up that not everyone who voted leave is a racist, but you can guarantee that everyone who is a racist voted leave. Immigration was a key part and I would say the swaying factor for a large percentage of people. This along with the projected cost (which is like paying your phone bill to 99% of the country). You can already see reports up and down the country of people telling foreigners to get out of our country, and kicking off at Muslims that a lot of people don't actually have a clue. Hence why a lot of people are going to be very disappointed in the coming months.
June 26, 20169 yr Here's an interesting article from the Harvard Business Review which reiterates what I said in the run-up to the referendum - the Remain side lost because it failed to appeal to emotion.
June 27, 20169 yr The Daily Mail... :rolleyes: Are you thinking the demographics of DM readers closely matches that of Brexit voters? :teresa:
June 27, 20169 yr Speculation : If there was somehow to be a 2nd referendum, and it still went for Brexit, would Remainers accept it then? Personally, I suspect the 'buyers remorse' factor would be outweighed by a 'we'll show those who don't respect democracy' one, resulting in an even bigger Brexit win.
June 27, 20169 yr apparently the online second referendum poll on the gov website was started prematurely by a disgruntled Brexiter. Just as Farage said: The battle is over but the war isn't yet lost, when he thought he'd lost and refused to accept the verdict. So he'd be a huge massive effing hypocrite (which we all know he is) to moan about Remainers being equally pissed off at the result. There won't be another referendum. Theer will, however, be a lot of pissed brexiters when they realise that all the things they thought they were going to get don't turn up. Johnson will start with half the country loving him, as PM, and then down the line his own party will realise he's a complete dick, stab him the back, and try to salvage their own forthcoming destruction. Sadly, there's no other party than can pick up those votes other than UKIP, who will claim the Tories didn't go far enough. happy days ahead.
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