...were the IRA just playing with firecrackers then?

 

You can argue until the cows come home whether it was justified or not, but there aren't many definitions of terrorism that don't cover the IRA's actions. And there aren't many definitions of 'sympathiser' that 'board member of an organisation that endorsed the IRA's UK bombing campaign' (as Labour Briefing did) wouldn't cover.

So Jeremy Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser - that point really winds me up most by the Anti-Corbyn folk on here :rolleyes:

Anything on topic?

...were the IRA just playing with firecrackers then?

 

You can argue until the cows come home whether it was justified or not, but there aren't many definitions of terrorism that don't cover the IRA's actions. And there aren't many definitions of 'sympathiser' that 'board member of an organisation that endorsed the IRA's UK bombing campaign' (as Labour Briefing did) wouldn't cover.

 

I'm pretty sure JC met members of SF back then to bring them into the political arena which that's right the Thatcher/Major government did anyway only behind the scenes.

 

The IRA didn't play with firecrackers of course but neither did the British Army/RUC/UDR.

Jezza's latest brainwave is a gem: let's get working mothers out campaigning by giving them free child-care. Not only do they get someone else to look after the kids, the kids get brainwashed into leftie-ism as a bonus to boot!

 

This is a tried and trusted policy of Communism and dictators, grab the kids while young and indoctrinate state policies and principles on them (much as the Tories do with Private Schools).

 

I can see the fun and games now:

 

Momentum Monopoly:

 

hours of fun collecting cash and building houses and hotels - all paid for by the State, no need to even throw the dice! No money for passing Go, as with no evil private enterprise dice throwing everyone gets a six every time! Result! Just to add a bit of excitement, anyone expressing an opinion that isn't state policy gets a brick through their house window to demonstrate the laws of physics: Brick + momentum= broken glass! Smashing!!

 

Haven't-Got-A-Cluedo:

 

In which 170 Labour MP's are murdered, but the fun is sorting out which of the 500,000 suspects did it! (The ultimate detective game of Whodunnit!) - anyone who guesses it was the Shadow Leader with a large majority will of course be expelled from the game, we can't have the saintly Jezza under suspicion even in a children's board game!

 

Reverse Risk:

 

In which the removal of weapons and forces in the bit with the UK on it means everyone else fights over invading them first, the population being in a defenseless post-Brexit state as all the farmers subsidies ran out and they all sold their land to the Chinese Government for Nuclear Power Stations. "Hurry Up And Get Out Of Europe" cries a Jezza doll each time anyone tries to leave the island.

 

and of course

 

Snap!

 

This one is vintage 1980's, carefully kept pure and fresh inside a plastic bag since the day Neil Kinnock ruined the Labour Party for true believers.

 

 

 

 

That's 'Lord Kinnock' il have you know....

well, if you'd prefer the unelected 2nd House to be populated entirely by Right-wing tax-dodging Tories, inherited titles and bishops, then yes, LORD Kinnock.

 

Personally I'd rather have as many non-right-wing reps as poss until it gets replaced by an elected chamber, but that's just me :P

Bye bye Labour Party.

Yesss!!

 

Jez. We. Can.

 

Imaaagine the percentage if the Establishment Plutocats weren't saturating the media with anti-left anti-Corbyn shet and didn't purge the membership?!

 

This whole fluttering Eagle business should never have staeted and thye should have been united following the referendum to weaken the Tories. Now let's get on with it! Tory Lite Labourites OUT. Left Wing is back, neo-liberalists.

Worryingly in the interviews I've seen he doesn't seem very keen to change his leadership style (chaotic, ineffective communication, failure to engage with the wider party etc.), which he must do to bring the party together and move forward. The result was a foregone conclusion though and IMO a complete waste of time, likely only strengthening Corbyn's position.

I can't say anyone will be surprised by that result, the key thing now is what happens now. I imagine that the majority of Labour MPs will "do a Trump" by falling straight back in line with following Corbyn, albeit a few will try dragging their heels a little bit. I doubt there'll be any MPs leaving Labour, defecting, or starting a new party, although I imagine we'll hear a few stories of Labourites who seem familiar but hold no political power doing so.

I can't say anyone will be surprised by that result, the key thing now is what happens now. I imagine that the majority of Labour MPs will "do a Trump" by falling straight back in line with following Corbyn, albeit a few will try dragging their heels a little bit. I doubt there'll be any MPs leaving Labour, defecting, or starting a new party, although I imagine we'll hear a few stories of Labourites who seem familiar but hold no political power doing so.

But would you as a voter really have faith in a party where a majority of their MPs try to oust their leader and then quietly settle down and pretend that everything's fine once they realise they've failed? The disingenuousness* ain't that compelling. It feels like a lose-lose situation, but I still cling to the hope that Corbyn can launch a new era for the party/shift the Overton window even if he fails to win the next election. I can't help but be interested in the tentative return of an opposition offering actual socialism.

 

*definitely a word

Preach, Harve!! :cheer:

But would you as a voter really have faith in a party where a majority of their MPs try to oust their leader and then quietly settle down and pretend that everything's fine once they realise they've failed? The disingenuousness* ain't that compelling. It feels like a lose-lose situation, but I still cling to the hope that Corbyn can launch a new era for the party/shift the Overton window even if he fails to win the next election. I can't help but be interested in the tentative return of an opposition offering actual socialism.

 

*definitely a word

 

I wouldn't, but then again I am not the average voter. If this is indeed the only attempted coup before the next general election, the electorate will have forgotten all about it and vote solely on the "strength" of Corbyn & Labour. The average voter have short-term memories, and will more than likely vote based on the most recent set of information available to them, which won't be this if they fall into place.

 

Although it's a moot point anyway, as I can't vote for Labour, even if I wanted to (which I almost definitely don't).

The Future:

 

Momentum carry out a cull of centrist MP's under the guise of boundary changes. Corbyn does and says nothing helpful (as usual). The labour Party ceases to be a broad church of left-of-centre opinion for the first time.

 

A party that can't cope with a wide variation in opinion is doomed to disappear up it's own arse. let's not forget that Corbyn wasn't just tolerated for 30 years (everytime he voted against party policy and every previous leader since he was elected) they actually (rather suicidally) put him on the ballot paper in the first place.

 

Intolerance is not the way forward. Whatever policies Corbyn puts forward have to be costed (so far he has done nothing about that) the way forward for the UK out of Europe has to be planned (nothing concrete there, just "leave immediately" - dick!), and he can prattle on about policies most would agree with (more housing, nationalised railways, no more cuts to local gov and NHS and benefits) but he's been noticeably short on details and how to achieve it.

 

I'm not going to forgive him for taking us out of Europe with his belated 6 or 7 out of 10 bollocks, his lack of backbone, vagueness and confused foreign policy opinions. Blaming the right-wing press for all his troubles is very convenient, but he refuses to engage, preferring to preach to the converted. that is also a suicidal policy.

 

He won't win a general election but he will make sure the Labour Parties changes enough to never move towards the centre again. If Scotland leave the UK, that will be a permanent situation and Tories will get free reign for the rest of out lives.

 

 

Wonder what he thinks about an Indie pro-EU Scotland now.....

But would you as a voter really have faith in a party where a majority of their MPs try to oust their leader and then quietly settle down and pretend that everything's fine once they realise they've failed? The disingenuousness* ain't that compelling. It feels like a lose-lose situation, but I still cling to the hope that Corbyn can launch a new era for the party/shift the Overton window even if he fails to win the next election. I can't help but be interested in the tentative return of an opposition offering actual socialism.

 

*definitely a word

As opposed to a Tory party that expects half its MPs to vote for something they don't support, i.e. leaving the EU. As ever, Tory divisions have been swept under the carpet.

As opposed to a Tory party that expects half its MPs to vote for something they don't support, i.e. leaving the EU. As ever, Tory divisions have been swept under the carpet.

 

suggests the real possibility of 2 split main parties infighting leaving centreground options for anyone feeling like there's no-one to vote for. Of course the Libdems could split in 2 too, 3 and a half wanting Brexit and moving towards the left, 3 and a half opposing Brexit and moves to the left :lol:

 

let's put it this way - the only way is up for centre parties (all one of 'em) cos there are no longer any other mainstream parties and the rest will all be fighting over the left and right wing votes. Silver Linings....!

I'd like to ask Labour supporters here who would you like as PM in 2020 Corbyn or May?

Holy false dichotomy, Batman!

I'd like to ask Labour supporters here who would you like as PM in 2020 Corbyn or May?

Hemlock.

I wouldn't, but then again I am not the average voter. If this is indeed the only attempted coup before the next general election, the electorate will have forgotten all about it and vote solely on the "strength" of Corbyn & Labour. The average voter have short-term memories, and will more than likely vote based on the most recent set of information available to them, which won't be this if they fall into place.

 

Although it's a moot point anyway, as I can't vote for Labour, even if I wanted to (which I almost definitely don't).

 

Quite. I honestly don't think people really care about how "divided" parties are; much as it's forgotten now, Labour were always (publicly at least) "united" in the 2010-15 parliament, whereas the Tories were always having splits on policy and chatter about Cameron being overthrown, yet when it came to the election none of that made a shred of difference.