It seems to me that stans and casual fans are reacting more negatively towards this then the general public.

 

I feel like Britney stans are vibing to this more than the Gaga fans. But, Gaga fans on ATRL and her main forum are over dramatic queens that would prefer a a generic dance number to anything remotely fresh and innovative.

 

Why am I defending Gaga to her own stans? http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag361/tylaaah1/Mobile%20Uploads/1FC8CF6F-D6A5-4A17-9914-21A56D45E449_zpsh5vxolod.gif

 

It made me LOL yo see hakf-hearted 'paws up' comments on youtube. Er, no, this isn't cheesy pop so paws down. Some fans wanted trashy dance but that is so 2000 and late.

A lot of the 'mega fans' just want her to smash and be the #1 girl again which isn't going to happen and once you accept that you can properly appreciate what she's doing and how she's transforming every era. Do I want her to be super successful? OF COURSE I DO but I do not want it at the expense of her vision.

 

Seeing her snapchat from earlier and the genuine tears when she heard the song on radio.. that innate feeling of love I felt for her at that moment, that's what makes me a die hard fan, not only being here for her to nab #1s like most of the Twitter/forum "fans" are.

Hmmmm. I don't hate it but I'm not massively feeling this if I'm honest, like Lewwww I'm not sold on the key change at all and the whole thing feels like it's over too soon without ever necessarily getting going. I'll give it a few more chances though as her lead singles do tend to grow on me.

YES BAL. ALL OF THAT.

It wasn't love

it wasn't love

it was a perfect illusion

perfect illusion

 

still stuck in my head on repeat

Artpop is the best example of her trying to recreate that mega sound her fans want now. She then does a 180 and her stans hate that to the point they send death threats to Tony Bennett . Then she does what Gaga does BEST and that's experimenting with new sounds and that's what was missing from 'Artpop' minus a few amazing tracks.

 

I hate stans that care more about having a chart topper instead of hearing their "favorite artist" be exactly that, an artist. Not feeling the song is fine as taste is subjective. There is always this immense pressure on female pop stars to deliver this track that EVERYONE will love just in order for their stans to waltz around with a "my fave is charting better than your fave" badge and it's really starting to grate on my nerves. If a song is a hit, that should be because it was received well by the GP. We, as self declared stans of female artists, need to stop comparing their current work to their biggest hit and open up ourselves to appreciate their artistic vision.

 

Want to hear a different kind of track? Devastated that your mother monster didn't construct the hit you envisioned? Go create it yourself then and try your hand at this trade. See how long you last under the spotlight of your biggest stans wanting you to compromise your art for some contrived manufactured shit for the sake of being more popular than her peers. Shit is unhealthy.

 

-pigeon mailed to the grave sites of the queens of ATRL. May they somehow recover to live another day in order to scrutinize and deconstruct female performers-

Edited September 9, 20168 yr by Tyler

APPLAUSE for that post, Tyler http://i.imgur.com/c9lcYBT.jpg

Really liking perfect illusion. Bit of a different sound but a great tune. Doubt it will reach no1 though due to lower streaming sales.

A lot of the 'mega fans' just want her to smash and be the #1 girl again which isn't going to happen and once you accept that you can properly appreciate what she's doing and how she's transforming every era. Do I want her to be super successful? OF COURSE I DO but I do not want it at the expense of her vision.

 

Seeing her snapchat from earlier and the genuine tears when she heard the song on radio.. that innate feeling of love I felt for her at that moment, that's what makes me a die hard fan, not only being here for her to nab #1s like most of the Twitter/forum "fans" are.

Exactly this! If she wanted to do a generic pop hit that sounded like Lean On or something, she would. I would much rather she did the music she wanted and it was real and with feeling, than her do a heartless pop banger just to get a hit and have her disown it a couple of years later as something she wasn't proud of. Obviously I want it to be good either way, fundamentally, and I adore this song so it's the best of both worlds. Besides, she can't just keep recreating The Fame Monster every time she does a campaign, that would be so tedious and it would feel so forced and probably enjoyable also, because she's done that already. It just proves her talent and artistic vision that she can jump from genre to genre like this and it totally fits her. I'm sure if she came out with something that was a safe, obvious hit, she'd get flack for taking the easy road :lol:

 

 

As Tyler said, not liking the song obviously is fine, because music is possibly the most subjective thing, but I am so fed up of the amount of people who are moaning about it for the wrong reasons. If you don't like the musical style, her vocals grate on you a bit, fine, but I've seen way too many people complaining because it's not another Bad Romance. Well guess what, NOTHING will ever be another Bad Romance because to top that or even come close will be incredibly difficult for any artist, not just Gaga herself.

And 'Bad Romance' was most definitely a risk! Taking risks is the only reason we get fantastic moments in music, and I'd consider 'Perfect Illusion' a risk worth taking.

Let's be real, if Gaga were to do something completely generic (like a cheaper version of a Chainsmokers production) it would be slated just as much by the fans as "Perfect Illusion" was. They'd be crying out that she's running out of ideas and selling her soul or something while the general public would be eating it up. It's like she can't win.

 

Not everything has to be about the money, and not every successful era needs to be rehashed. Do we want Gaga to succeed? Sure. We've seen countless times where artists aren't slaying the charts like they had been before but we're just happy that they produced something that was of the heart rather than something that was practically half-assed and phoned in. I mean, look at Glory: some of the songs on the album don't even sound like hits but Britney is promoting her ass off, performing more cohesively and coming closer to her prime than she did in the past decade and that's all we really want from her, and that's to be happy doing what you do. Gaga seems to be in a better place to where she was experimenting with new styles and producing songs that are way off the edge of what sounds like a hit and, who knows? It might end up being a hit anyway. But in the end she's happy. And if she's happy, I'm happy.

 

I went back to listening to Born This Way and parts of ARTPOP, and there were so many styles that she incorporated and included within the album along with the standard pop sound of that year. There were glam rock influences, she combined styles such as bolero baroque, and a Wild West sound with pop, and she brought back eras that we've only heard through the nostalgia factor, and I'm sitting here thinking "What hasn't she done yet?" Maybe that's what Gaga is telling us: there are so many different combinations of genres that she hasn't touched on yet and she needs to once again crack this "perfect illusion" that you can only succeed with one type of sound.

 

And for those who don't think Gaga can't do well with this type of sound: you might be surprised. "Yoü & I", a blues-influenced track with a guitar solo written by Brian May of Queen, made it to #6 on Billboard and that wasn't even a lead single.

Okay, my first post was pretty crap and seeing as so many people have elaborately detailed why they like the song, I've listened to it a second time despite absolutely nothing luring me in the first time round. It actually felt worse second time round, but it's so baffling. It feels like the longest 3 minutes known to man whilst still leaving me thinking "is that it?" in the same breath. Largely because once you've heard the first 45 seconds, you've essentially heard the whole song minus a painfully off key key change.

 

For all the producers involved and the time it's taken since the last album to get this out, I almost can't believe this is all she has to show in her moment of 'comeback'. It isn't completely awful by any means, but the only particular endearing thing about it is the "it wasn't laaarghve" bits (and the intro) which are still eaten into by some horrific false accent. Listening to her past albums the other day highlighted how amazing her middle 8's are for example, where's the golden touches like that to elevate the track from being anything other than a structure-less repetition. It's nowhere as big as her strained vocals would have you believe when it all boils down to it and I think it's actually worse on second listen when you get past the confusion of it all.

 

Good luck to her though, here's to a better second single.

PLOT TWIST

 

A lot of people seem to be saying, or alluding to 'you just wanted a club banger' as so many dislike this new Gaga song. It's such a tired defence. I wanted a great song. Didn't get it.

Second single to be a Jewels N' Drugs pt.2 tbh. Let's really piss off those stans.

Applause s***s all over Perfect Illusion.

My rank of the lead singles:

 

01. Bad Romance

02. Born This Way

03. Just Dance

04. Perfect Illusion

05. Applause

 

 

BTW is perhaps the most special song she's released but over time it's dipped very slightly. PI might grow but it might also fall in my affections with what else is to come from this era so WHO KNOWS ~

 

Edit: no BTW @ second

PI seems to be dropping everywhere on iTunes and hasn't really mustered up a great lead anyway so I'm not sure we're looking for totally amazing first week debuts. Not sure if radio will pick it up too much either but it seems to have had a good start on Spotify which could be its saving grace if we're talking commercial success.

01. Born This Way

02. Perfect Illusion

03. Applause

04. Bad Romance

05. Just Dance

 

tbh

#1 Bad Romance

#2 Applause

#3 Just Dance

#4 Perfect Illusion

#5 Born This Way

Edited September 10, 20168 yr by Rob Spears