Leaving aside what would need to happen to Bill and his clan first, wouldn't it also be necessary to determine whether Hal was actually a descendant of the queen?

 

Have you never seen King Ralph!? :lol:

Have you never seen King Ralph!? :lol:

In a word, No.

UKIP exists because of racism.

 

UKIP was created because of a desire among many of the electorate to leave the EU - a demand that the main parties refused to listen to. Any racism is purely incidental.

 

I would be very happy for you to "out" any racists in other parties. Or name an MP who's shagging one. I'm guessing Tory....

 

I could start with Jared O'Mara, Labour MP for Sheffield Hallam.

 

I'd be interested to see the correlation between racist and leave supporting MP

 

Do you consider racism & Leave voting to be inextricably linked, then?

 

What would you say are the best ways to tackle racism?

 

Education would be one, but what others can you come up with?

Should stories like this not be reported?

 

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Home Office worker 'was lynchpin of plot to let illegal migrants stay': Employee is accused of falsifying records that could have seen hundreds benefit

 

Shamsu Iqbal, 61, allegedly used his position in the Home Office to falsify papers

 

Investigators identified potential 437 cases of faking documents over five years

 

Home Office worker helped by Usman, 45, Hussain, 49, and Ali, 47, a court heard

 

Group changed records to give new identities to people who were in UK illegally

 

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I'm sure you can guess which paper this was reported in - but does that lessen the seriousness of it?

Should stories like this not be reported?

 

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Home Office worker 'was lynchpin of plot to let illegal migrants stay': Employee is accused of falsifying records that could have seen hundreds benefit

 

Shamsu Iqbal, 61, allegedly used his position in the Home Office to falsify papers

 

Investigators identified potential 437 cases of faking documents over five years

 

Home Office worker helped by Usman, 45, Hussain, 49, and Ali, 47, a court heard

 

Group changed records to give new identities to people who were in UK illegally

 

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I'm sure you can guess which paper this was reported in - but does that lessen the seriousness of it?

 

Illegal is illegal. Slave labour is slave labour - like the white family convicted of holding mentally ill people for 20 years in horrific conditions, or the Asian coastal workers who drowned, all illegally held. Why do you think any reasonable person would object to those responsible being publicised and convicted?

 

Some of us are quite capable of telling right from wrong, without political bias.

 

UKIP was created because of a desire among many of the electorate to leave the EU - a demand that the main parties refused to listen to. Any racism is purely incidental.

I could start with Jared O'Mara, Labour MP for Sheffield Hallam.

Do you consider racism & Leave voting to be inextricably linked, then?

 

1. You are, cough, whitewashing the raison detre of UKIP. Half of them joined to get rid of immigrants, more than leave the EU. If that werent true then there would be no racism. There would be no stories about racists in UKIP.

 

There are.

 

2. Technically O' Mara is a homophobe and misogynist. Still a git, but not a racist.

 

 

In a word, No.

 

A photoshoot of the entire Royal family went horrifically wrong, leading to John Goodman being crowned. Fred Flintstone on the throne? :lol:

Illegal is illegal. Slave labour is slave labour - like the white family convicted of holding mentally ill people for 20 years in horrific conditions, or the Asian coastal workers who drowned, all illegally held. Why do you think any reasonable person would object to those responsible being publicised and convicted?

 

Some of us are quite capable of telling right from wrong, without political bias.

 

Apologies if I'm wrong, but I didn't see this reported anywhere else but the Mail. Why wouldn't other papers report it?

 

 

1. You are, cough, whitewashing the raison detre of UKIP. Half of them joined to get rid of immigrants, more than leave the EU. If that werent true then there would be no racism. There would be no stories about racists in UKIP.

 

There are.

 

2. Technically O' Mara is a homophobe and misogynist. Still a git, but not a racist.

 

Re 1. I referred more to the electorate, than UKIP's membership.

 

2. Surely any form of intolerance (except against Mail readers apparently :teresa: ) is equally wrong?

Apologies if I'm wrong, but I didn't see this reported anywhere else but the Mail. Why wouldn't other papers report it?

Re 1. I referred more to the electorate, than UKIP's membership.

 

2. Surely any form of intolerance (except against Mail readers apparently :teresa: ) is equally wrong?

 

1. So non-racist voters voting for known racists. Very convincing. At the least it shows a willingness to accept racism.

 

2. change of subject. You made an incorrect statement which Jared O Mara might choose to object to, and which I corrected. You don't have to thank me.

1. So non-racist voters voting for known racists. Very convincing. At the least it shows a willingness to accept racism.

 

You think we were *happy* at having to vote for a party with even a small proportion of racists? :huh: Unfortunately we were forced to, since not one of the mainstream parties supported us leaving the EU.

 

2. change of subject. You made an incorrect statement which Jared O Mara might choose to object to, and which I corrected. You don't have to thank me.

 

Then you'll be relieved to hear that I'm not going to. ;)

You think we were *happy* at having to vote for a party with even a small proportion of racists? :huh: Unfortunately we were forced to, since not one of the mainstream parties supported us leaving the EU.

At that point you might have considered that it wasn't really worth the obsession with leaving the EU.

At that point you might have considered that it wasn't really worth the obsession with leaving the EU.

 

So we should have dropped an issue that we believed was quintessential to Britain's future? :o

 

So we should have dropped an issue that we believed was quintessential to Britain's future? :o

 

Nothing stopping you or anyone else starting a non-racist purely political Leave EU party with a clear cohesive plan as to how it would go, be negotiated, and the resultant expected benefits would arise. UKIP certainly had none of those things cos they have just argues amongst themselves exposing it as just a Farage Cult Of Personality bereft of actual concrete ideas.

 

Meanwhile the Government post-Brexit deals achieved:

 

1. Selling arms to military dictatorships.

 

2. That is all.

Nothing stopping you or anyone else starting a non-racist purely political Leave EU party with a clear cohesive plan as to how it would go, be negotiated, and the resultant expected benefits would arise. UKIP certainly had none of those things cos they have just argues amongst themselves exposing it as just a Farage Cult Of Personality bereft of actual concrete ideas.

 

Meanwhile the Government post-Brexit deals achieved:

 

1. Selling arms to military dictatorships.

 

2. That is all.

The SNP being a good example of a party whose raison d'etre is separatism from something, but manage fairly well not to be racist.

The SNP being a good example of a party whose raison d'etre is separatism from something, but manage fairly well not to be racist.

 

Only because the English are the *same* race as them... :rolleyes:

 

Apologies if I'm wrong, but I didn't see this reported anywhere else but the Mail. Why wouldn't other papers report it?

A number of the stories contain the words "a court heard" or "it is alleged". In other words, they were reporting ongoing court cases. Perhaps the other papers think they have better things to do than scan the court lists for a case that might fuel racism.

Only because the English are the *same* race as them... :rolleyes:

What on earth does that have to do with the EU?

Jo Marney is talking out of her arse. She's no looker herself, Meghan Markle could be in a coma and still look way better than Jo Marney. It's no surprise reading about her that she is a brexiteer even if she wasn't in a relationship with a UKIP politician.

What on earth does that have to do with the EU?

 

I never claimed it *did* - this is not the EU thread.