i’m sorry but as much as people attempt to like this record, pop history won’t look back on it kindly at all

 

bland tut

I'm enjoying the album so much :music: Borderline & Breathin are amazing , also wish raindrops, was a full song .

Agree with this 100%

 

Also especially in the UK she had a real chance to capitalize on Manchester (as awful as that sounds) raising her profile and exposing her to a much wider audience. I can't believe there's not one safe pop song here that could've been a bona fide MOR hit, something along the lines of One Last Time.

 

Instead she decides now to have her experimental Pharrell album.

 

Seriously becoming #1 pop girl was hers to lose and she quite happily has done that. I'm impressed she experimented a bit but this really feels like overkill.

 

I disagree with this - after everything she went through surely she should be allowed to make the album she wants to make? I’m unsure how I feel about the music itself but I’m certainly not upset about her not capitalising on Manchester and cementing herself as the pop girl. A big pop album is obviously not what she wanted.

I really like the album, it's not the album I expected but there is a lot of good stuff there imo. It's just a lot more subtle than say 'Into You', 'Side To Side', 'Everyday' etc.

 

'Breathin' is the obvious smash from the album - I must admit I don't think anything outside of that will be a big hit, maybe 'Everytime'.

Camila, Man Of The Woods, and Sweetener

 

The three albums that have been mainly Pharrell produced this year so far right? There might be more but these feel like the big three. No one seemed to have an issue with his presence on Camila (10 songs) yet MOTW (16 songs) and now Sweetener (15 songs) haven’t been as warmed received. Personally I’ve loved all three of them, MOTW especially, but I do see where some people are coming from and blaming Pharrell for “screwing up” her album is a logical assumption.

Iirc Havana was the only Pharrell song on Camila and he only wrote and didn't produce that! (Which is why Camila is a really strong album unlike those other two mentioned x). The only Camila song he's produced is Sangria Wine I think which is a hot mess of a song 🤢

I disagree with this - after everything she went through surely she should be allowed to make the album she wants to make? I’m unsure how I feel about the music itself but I’m certainly not upset about her not capitalising on Manchester and cementing herself as the pop girl. A big pop album is obviously not what she wanted.

 

why not, though? this was l i t e r a l l y a 'foot up' for her to become the top dog + she has missed the mark. she has not delivered.

 

as a fan, that's upsetting because i want her to do as well as she can (+ sh!t does she deserve it after what she's been through).

 

but what about what her fans wanted? why should we accept sub-par because it's "what she wanted"? i know that i & 16000 others from the manchester gig would have been comforted by something a little more familiar from her.

 

i say this from a place of love because i wouldn't want her to feel suffocated but you cannot be as commercially pop as she has been, generate hype via her legions of fans who have got onboard because of her POP music + then be disappointed when they turn their noses up at a primarily melodically-devoid r&b album with little-to-no pop elements.

 

+ the label knew exactly what they were doing with this because they deliberately put out the poppiest single first. then 'the light is coming' was very poorly received + the 'second official single' was pushed through, a max/savan/ilya production. the third single will no doubt be 'breathin'' (another max/savan/ilya production) because a very small amount of people are here for this 'sound' she wanted.

 

so you go ahead + be 'not upset' all you like - but i feel we are more than entitled to feel disappointed + upset that a pop singer didn't make a pop album, like we were expecting.

just as she's entitled to feel disappointed that she made the album that she wanted + it tanks, because it will - this will not do well past the fanbase.

Edited August 18, 20186 yr by kye

Iirc Havana was the only Pharrell song on Camila and he only wrote and didn't produce that! (Which is why Camila is a really strong album unlike those other two mentioned x). The only Camila song he's produced is Sangria Wine I think which is a hot mess of a song 🤢

 

Huh I had it in my head all this time is was a predominantly Pharrel album ;o My point still stands though :kink:

Well I like the album, it's not as strong and diverse as Dangerous Woman but as a whole it's a good standard. There's just a lack of standout hits aside from the two singles and "breathin".

 

I think a re-order of the tracklist would go a long way to improving the album as well. The order at the start just feels very odd?

 

The main highlights for me aside from the three we had already heard are breathin, everytime, better off and goodnight n go.

 

Personally, I kind of respect her more for using the post-Manchester platform for the type of album she wanted to make and not doing the obvious pop hoe album that would've been huge regardless.

why not, though? this was l i t e r a l l y a 'foot up' for her to become the top dog + she has missed the mark. she has not delivered.

 

as a fan, that's upsetting because i want her to do as well as she can (+ sh!t does she deserve it after what she's been through).

 

but what about what her fans wanted? why should we accept sub-par because it's "what she wanted"? i know that i & 16000 others from the manchester gig would have been comforted by something a little more familiar from her.

 

i say this from a place of love because i wouldn't want her to feel suffocated but you cannot be as commercially pop as she has been, generate hype via her legions of fans who have got onboard because of her POP music + then be disappointed when they turn their noses up at a primarily melodically-devoid r&b album with little-to-no pop elements.

 

+ the label knew exactly what they were doing with this because they deliberately put out the poppiest single first. then 'the light is coming' was very poorly received + the 'second official single' was pushed through, a max/savan/ilya production. the third single will no doubt be 'breathin'' (another max/savan/ilya production) because a very small amount of people are here for this 'sound' she wanted.

 

so you go ahead + be 'not upset' all you like - but i feel we are more than entitled to feel disappointed + upset that a pop singer didn't make a pop album, like we were expecting.

just as she's entitled to feel disappointed that she made the album that she wanted + it tanks, because it will - this will not do well past the fanbase.

 

She’s the artist. She can make whatever album she wants. Taste is subjective, she obviously doesn’t consider the record to be subpar.

 

This just sounds like toxic and entitled fandom to me. It’s completely normal to be disappointed when an artist doesn’t deliver what you expected, but feeling like you’re owed something or getting upset that she didn’t use Manchester as a ‘foot up’ is just ridiculous.

Edited August 18, 20186 yr by blacksquare

Well I like the album, it's not as strong and diverse as Dangerous Woman but as a whole it's a good standard. There's just a lack of standout hits aside from the two singles and "breathin".

 

I think a re-order of the tracklist would go a long way to improving the album as well. The order at the start just feels very odd?

 

The main highlights for me aside from the three we had already heard are breathin, everytime, better off and goodnight n go.

 

Personally, I kind of respect her more for using the post-Manchester platform for the type of album she wanted to make and not doing the obvious pop hoe album that would've been huge regardless.

 

you say that but the songs you’ve pointed out as highlights came from the “after sessions” (ie. after the label heard the pharrell stuff) & they’re the tracks she did with max/savan/ilya so not exactly the album she wanted to create.

Wow at Breathin getting over 4.3 million streams on Spotify in it's first day! Enter the Spotify chart at #3, also riding high worldwide, they might have to push this earlier than they probably planned!

Wow at Breathin getting over 4.3 million streams on Spotify in it's first day! Enter the Spotify chart at #3, also riding high worldwide, they might have to push this earlier than they probably planned!

 

It’s doing really well in iTunes just as an album track too! Top 5 in the US already, I can definitely see this being huge

She’s the artist. She can make whatever album she wants. Taste is subjective, she obviously doesn’t consider the record to be subpar.

 

This just sounds like toxic and entitled fandom to me. It’s completely normal to be disappointed when an artist doesn’t deliver what you expected, but feeling like you’re owed something or getting upset that she didn’t use Manchester as a ‘foot up’ is just ridiculous.

Completely agree.

 

I don’t think it’s the album anyone expected but I’m liking it a lot. goodnight n go, everytime, sweetener, borderline (even if Missy’s feature is pretty pointless...) and breathin are my favourites – I’m not surprised the latter is doing by far the best and is a clear favourite. It’s closer to what we’re used to from Ariana. It’s good to see her doing something a bit different with this album though even if it’s not executed as well as it could’ve been.

She’s the artist. She can make whatever album she wants. Taste is subjective, she obviously doesn’t consider the record to be subpar.

 

This just sounds like toxic and entitled fandom to me. It’s completely normal to be disappointed when an artist doesn’t deliver what you expected, but feeling like you’re owed something or getting upset that she didn’t use Manchester as a ‘foot up’ is just ridiculous.

 

hun, with all due respect, step the f*ck down - don't call me toxic/entitled for having an opinion.

ariana + her music got me through months of depression and anxiety having been caught in the manchester bombing.

forgive me for being upset that i don't like "artist album" she put out when this so called 'artistry' wreaks of pharrell; there's no ariana in the majority of these songs.

 

+ it's not using it as a platform when it's already there - it's wasting it when you don't use it & there's a difference.

Edited August 18, 20186 yr by kye

you say that but the songs you’ve pointed out as highlights came from the “after sessions” (ie. after the label heard the pharrell stuff) & they’re the tracks she did with max/savan/ilya so not exactly the album she wanted to create.

 

I said I respect her for using the platform for showing the material she wants to produce, not that I personally prefer the songs she did with Pharrell :P

I said I respect her for using the platform for showing the material she wants to produce, not that I personally prefer the songs she did with Pharrell :P

 

to be fair, i kinda agree.. i respect her for doing the album she wanted but then i'm also super glad that she ended up working with max :lol:

The thing is that when the defence is ‘you may not like it, but it’s the personal album Ariana wanted to make'. I’m like, well it doesn’t feel so personal because it literally feels like a direct follow up to Man in the Woods or several other PW projects.

hun, with all due respect, step the f*ck down - don't call me toxic/entitled for having an opinion.

ariana + her music got me through months of depression and anxiety having been caught in the manchester bombing.

forgive me for being upset that i don't like "artist album" she put out when this so called 'artistry' wreaks of pharrell; there's no ariana in the majority of these songs.

 

+ it's not using it as a platform when it's already there - it's wasting it when you don't use it & there's a difference.

 

I'm not trying to discredit your opinions or belittle what her music has done for you in the past. My point is if she wants to create an album of questionable Pharrell tracks and hope her fans like that as much as she does then that is her choice. It's also her choice not to use a platform (or 'waste it') to further her career.

 

 

 

 

 

36 million listens on Spotify for her yesterday, amazing!

 

Drake is second with 16m

The thing is that when the defence is ‘you may not like it, but it’s the personal album Ariana wanted to make. I’m like, well it doesn’t feel so personal because it literally feels like a direct follow up to Man in the Woods or several other PW projects.

exactly. this is in no way a ‘personal album’ - the label probably thought pharrell was going to be hot property.