Was anyone from Buzzjack at the final last night?

 

Yo.

 

Noticed some errors compared to the jury final. The reveal of Mans live in the studio was completely missed, the sketch clip ended a lot earlier (missing the end credits) and the camera cut to him live at the wrong time. That got a *huge* cheer in the jury final but nothing in the main one.

 

Jamala's stage invader was a bit of a scary moment! Amazing how she carried on completely unphased, what a pro.

 

Scoreboard was close to impossible to read as it was on a couple of tiny screens on the sides, fairly sure that's normal though. The only way I knew the UK was getting jury points was because it was the longest name along with The Netherlands.

 

I was surprised by how many people got up and left after the songs had finished, the voting especially felt a bit flat as more and more left the arena as it became clearer their own countries hadn't won. The only people left in my seating row by the end were from the UK!

 

Stayed around for a bit to watch the contestants leave the green room. Sunstroke Project as mentioned were properly celebrating and dancing in front of fans. Lucie beaming and getting a great reaction from the fans still in the hall, even the likes of Germany amd Spain putting on brave smiles.

The hosts were great last night, full circle into so bad its good. Petra Mede and Mans - and even Conchita - have spoiled us over the last few years with how professional hosts can be. The segment where the host let the little girl present briefly was gold car crash TV.

Lucie did a lot of the preview parties, and Salvador understandably did no promo but managed that giant score.

 

I think this year was a step in the right direction. I always say this after we get a result of anything above the bottom ten, but I hope the BBC capitalise on this next year with an even better song, but keeping with the fantastic singer/inspired staging.

 

Never Give Up On You is lovely, but it's no Undo in terms of female balladry, and it's also pretty clear that the public weren't here for female ballads at all this year anyway. Even if we can garner 50 more points on the televote and get similar jury support, we'd be top ten.

 

I'm hoping this result has given the BBC some food for thought anyway, with the new voting system we don't necessarily need to pick up huge amounts of televotes to get a top ten result, but we do need a quality song, well performed and well staged and we can win over the juries. The bonus is that by doing this we may well pick up a higher televote score too.

 

Onwards and upwards I hope for the BBC and the UK, a bit of momentum can really change a nation's fortunes and approach to the contest, Bulgaria I feel could become a tour de force now for example, as The Netherlands sort of have been since Anouk in 2013 - a bit of confidence and a winning formula goes a long way.

Also what I found with the voting it wasn't even exciting, it was constantly Portugal at the top spot, the top spot never changed, it did early on, but it just recovered and got stronger, last year the top spot kept on changing a few times if I remember rightly.

 

On the whole UK did well on jury votes and had a reasonable top 10 placing at the end, with the tele votes the track just fell away. We have learnt something to send a decent entry each year instead of sending naff entries, we could actually win this one day with the new system. And I was surprised we didn't get 12 points from Malta, they usually like a good ballad. I know the track wasn't that strong, as it still had something missing from it, at least we stood on the left side of the board till the end result. In my opinion that was a good result for us, hopefully next year we have a better track to send.

Also what I found with the voting it wasn't even exciting, it was constantly Portugal at the top spot, the top spot never changed, it did early on, but it just recovered and got stronger, last year the top spot kept on changing a few times if I remember rightly.

 

On the whole UK did well on jury votes and had a reasonable top 10 placing at the end, with the tele votes the track just fell away. We have learnt something to send a decent entry each year instead of sending naff entries, we could actually win this one day with the new system. And I was surprised we didn't get 12 points from Malta, they usually like a good ballad. I know the track wasn't that strong, as it still had something missing from it, at least we stood on the left side of the board till the end result. In my opinion that was a good result for us, hopefully next year we have a better track to send.

 

There's not much they can do to make the voting sequence interesting if a song is running away with it, as Portugal did with the juries.

 

Bulgaria put up a very good fight on the televote, even snagging the UK 12 and keeping diaspora assisted Poland at bay *.*

I always found it a bit weird how Bulgaria had never really broken through before when Romania and Greece have never had that sort of trouble but if they keep doing what they're doing then that win won't be far off. I've had Beautiful Mess in my head this morning, I think I'm doing a U-turn on it.

 

I do love the change of fortunes some countries have had, Belgium and The Netherlands see regular successes now. This is a really good result for the UK, we're much closer to sorting ourselves out like France and Italy than we are for suffering at the bottom like Germany is at the moment.

Also its going to be strange not seeing Israel in the competition, they have had some classic winners, that was quite a fitting speech by them.

There is reason for optimism on the UK side this Eurovision Boxing Day. Considering what we were served up with on that morning in January, to have snatched as high as 15th off the back of that is nothing short of astounding. But credit where it's due to the BBC, they took the song to the revamp shop, polished and honed it within an inch of its life, were lucky enough to have a performer who's exceptional live, staged it near flawlessly and managed to take what probably on record is a passable song at best into the top 15. Hopefully the progress we've made from 2016 to 2017 will manage to persuade more/better writers and/or artists to put their names forward so if they show the same level of commitment and dedication next year that they did this year with a better song as its raw material, there's certainly room to develop from there.

 

What would be the absolute worst thing possible for our chances is to have another "Electro Velvet" style abomination and lose all our momentum which, in fairness, I'm not ruling out the BBC serving up to us in some form!

I always found it a bit weird how Bulgaria had never really broken through before when Romania and Greece have never had that sort of trouble but if they keep doing what they're doing then that win won't be far off. I've had Beautiful Mess in my head this morning, I think I'm doing a U-turn on it.

 

I do love the change of fortunes some countries have had, Belgium and The Netherlands see regular successes now. This is a really good result for the UK, we're much closer to sorting ourselves out like France and Italy than we are for suffering at the bottom like Germany is at the moment.

 

Germany is such a curious case. Lena was to them what Aminata was to Latvia, a shining ray of light that turned the nations fortunes around briefly before a return to poor form (I know they took Roman Lob to the top 10 too though I guess).

 

But this is five consecutive years of bad results now and I'm surprised they're letting it continue. They seem to specialise in radio pop on the wrong side of dull that would never mobilise voters or juries, and I wish they'd get out of this rut. I don't know who thought Perfect Life and Wildfire were good ideas, if you're only going to have two songs to pick from in your national final it's probably a good idea to make sure that at least one of them is better than completely average.

 

A real shame about Israel...is there no way the new station can become an EBU member in time? I'm not well versed on what's going on there but it seems incredibly sad to lose them.

A real shame about Israel...is there no way the new station can become an EBU member in time? I'm not well versed on what's going on there but it seems incredibly sad to lose them.

 

We might be seeing Lebanon soon :D didn't Israel said if Lebanon compete Israel will withdraw from the competition in the past.

 

I didn't say he was a twat or an undeserving winner so what are you trying to say here?

 

And, of course, if it were a winner whose performance was more well liked they'd be given a free pass for a comment like that, especially if it were a woman or a hot man. The majority of us are fickle gays x

Some people did though, twat, douche, whatever. No, don't put words in my mouth, this isn't about that, it's about individualistic taste, not stereotypes. Idk who every single person liked but imagine if Loreen said that a few years ago (great winner :wub: ), or even last year's winner.

 

Sorry if I've offended anyone, this isn't worth falling out over (my entire point was I didn't understand the extreme reaction) and I'm not looking for an argument. I just thought focusing on a throwaway speech was a bit melodramatic.

Edited May 14, 20178 yr by Jacob.

We might be seeing Lebanon soon :D didn't Israel said if Lebanon compete Israel will withdraw from the competition in the past.

 

It's the other way round generally. Israel usually acts as a means of preventing the rest of the technically eligible parts of the arab world from competing since most of them have laws of some kind forbidding the acknowledgement of The State of Israel at any level.

 

I suppose anything's possible with the new Israeli channel being set up/having one of the other channels at least apply for EBU membership but that's not exactly a quick process all told. If there's the will then there'll probably be a way.

I don't expect that an Israeli withdrawal will lead to tons of the Maghrebi/Arabs suddenly flocking to the door, at best Tunisia and Lebanon might hand-wring about it before ultimately deciding no. The others have never really shown any interest, Morocco I think swore off it forever or something and with Turkey currently sitting out, what reason do they have to enter a 'decadent Western pop contest'?

So any I-Tunes news?

76 year old Mary Hammond from the UK jury's votes make for interesting reading. Spain 2nd...Moldova 4th!

 

Yawn at Azerbaijan and Armenia's jury members all ranking each other the lowest possible. I guess they would be lynched for doing anything different, seeing as their names are out there for anyone to see.

 

There's pretty clear evidence as usual that some juries have been colluding after watching the jury final together, and probably discussing with each other throughout. Too many of the votes are similar or the same in each country, this really, really needs to be nipped in the bud, with all five in separate rooms. They have far too much influence over the final results for this to be allowed to happen.

 

I see Netherlands got 10 of their 15 televoting points from Belgium, I really don't get why that song didn't cross over at all to the public :(

Edited May 14, 20178 yr by gooddelta

Of course it's a brilliant winner, genius piece of traditional music. Those who dislike it as a song live in their Eurovision bubble where only Swedish pop, novelty winners or stomping dance numbers can do well.

 

I remember people disliking Jamala too because it wasn't "Eurovision" enough

I personally loved Jamala but not this, it's not about being Eurovision enough or not. I just thought he had an awwkard stage presence, his voice is not for me and the song was hideously boring. Jamala was more emotionally charged, I loved the ethnic vibe and actually because it wasn't very Eurovision it made it stand out more for me. Amar Pelos Dois was just completely shite to me, hated his voice, the performance, the song was really boring and not my thing.

I don't really buy into this whole "Eurovision sound" thing. There's such a disparity in sounds from across the continent and such a variety of winner that I don't think there is a typically Eurovision sound that songs must be like for me to enjoy them. I just think that both Jamala and Salvador had terrible tracks that I didn't enjoy at all. Nothing more or less about it.

Were her entire family slaughtered in front of her seconds before she went on stage?

 

 

That comment was hilarious!! :lol:

Lucie's performance was exceptional! The stage was superb too! 11/10 for me! Well done BBC!

Francesco Gabbani should be the winner! By far the most recognisable song in this year (More than 100.000.000 views).

I was impressed by Kristian's voice. His song was one of my favourites. Great!

I was sure about the last three positions (Spain, Germany and Ukraine) but I think that it didn't need to have "oracle skills" for guessing it.

Congrats to Portugal! It was not my favourite song but he gave a nice performance. I really liked the fact that he sang it along with his sister.

 

PS Julia Samoylova should be there! Ukraine behave like the dude of Eurovision.

I'm still so annoyed with his speech. That's the kind of pretentious nonsense Ed Sheran would say but they don't realize they make "disposable fast food music" too. They're not classical geniuses and are no Mozart. They really need a wake up call if they think they are "better" than other pop music. They ARE pop acts.

Wow, you really like an exaggeration don't you?

 

First of all, he never said he was against pop in any way whatsoever. This is your thinking purely. Second of all, he never said one needs to be a classical genius to write and produce songs. This is you exaggerating too.

And calling someone a twat and stuff given this was a simple comment expressing a personal opinion. I actually agree that if it was said by someone well received on here, the reaction would have been muted at least. Emotions were running high yesterday but have some dignity people eh