Whilst controversial, I think those possible label interventions make sense (and remind us that the chart his here to serve the industry, not the punters!)

 

There's always going to be singles that perform unusually and need to be let off ACR. I suppose the Manual Reset is most likely to be used, in what will now be, rare occasions that an album track spends 10 weeks on the chart and then is later chosen to be a single. It would have SCR applied again only if it managed a 50% increase in sales week on week, which may be difficult for tracks that aren't given that sort of boost by an X Factor performance or advert or Christmas.

 

I am surprised that they haven't put in a rule that ACR cannot be applied whilst a single is still #1/top 5/top 10. Whilst it probably won't affect that many #1 singles, it will happen at some point, and it'll be a bit odd having the best-selling single of the week not being allowed to be #1.

 

THIS! I STILL can't understand why they haven't said songs inside the top 10 wont be affected by the new rules. It's likely it could effect the number one at some point and make some top 10 runs look weird

 

 

I like to see how the Xmas tracks are going to perform every year, under this new rule, will they be able to sustain more than a week, I know they usually plummet in Week 2/ 3 depending when Xmas falls, or will they just miss the top 40 entirely.

I like to see how the Xmas tracks are going to perform every year, under this new rule, will they be able to sustain more than a week, I know they usually plummet in Week 2/ 3 depending when Xmas falls, or will they just miss the top 40 entirely.

 

Many do decrease after a strong start in December but they should increase again (thanks to streaming) before the three-week rule sets in.

 

e.g. Mariah last Xmas went 72-29-6-8-5-5 but only decreased on the bolded week, so her ratio wouldn't change at any point.

These rules are, in my opinion, an absolute mess. The three songs cap can unfairly exclude songs from the chart (and for those who will complain about the Ed Sheeran invasion: that lasted two weeks. Most of the songs from the album are long gone from the top 100, although Glastonbury has made two of them re-enter, and regardless, it's just completely unfair to make a chart ineligible to chart because three other songs by the same artist have sold more during the week) and the 300:1 rule will inevitably lead to ridiculous chart runs. Both make a complete farce of the chart to me.

I'm still trying to get grips with the new rules, I guess it will sink in, once we see the results next week

 

Ain't it funny though, OCC always choose 1 July to introduce new rules, not at the beginning of the new year, they did the same with introducing streams to singles and the albums a year later. :lol:

Am I right in thinking that if Despacito has another decrease this Friday, the following Friday his streams will go town to 1-300 ratio. Meaning it will most likely be kicked off the number 1 spot?

The fact that my eyes glaze over as I begin to look at these rules just tells me how dead the chart is. And that's not even because of the rules themselves, though they don't help. The fact that new rules have even been suggested shows how much the chart has lost its way and is essentially pointless now.

Am I right in thinking that if Despacito has another decrease this Friday, the following Friday his streams will go town to 1-300 ratio. Meaning it will most likely be kicked off the number 1 spot?

 

#1

15 Jun 101,761 Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber Descapito (Remix)

22 Jun 94,551 Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber Descapito (Remix)

29 Jun 170,360 Artists For Grenfill Bridge Over Troubled Water

06 Jul 84,124 Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber Descapito (Remix)

 

#2

15 Jun 80,306 Ariana Grande One Last Time

22 Jun 50,709 Ariana Grande One Last Time

29 Jun 101,347 Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee feat. Justin Bieber Descapito (Remix)

06 Jul 68,232 DJ Khaled feat. Rihanna & Bryson Tiller Wild Thoughts

 

Technically it has to be 3 decreases on a trot before the 1-300 ratio is introduced, the track increased its sales when it was at #2.

 

 

Am I right in thinking that if Despacito has another decrease this Friday, the following Friday his streams will go town to 1-300 ratio. Meaning it will most likely be kicked off the number 1 spot?

Yes

 

Yes

Incorrect - read what Martin posted just above :P Despacito's three-week counter is currently on one, it needs two further weeks of decreases first.

Yes

 

No... it decreases to 1-300 on its 4th week if its 3 consecutive decreases, the track increased again when it was at #2

and have you guys read what the guy posted?

 

he says that if Despacito drops again next week, the following week it will change ratio

 

so he's right

 

yesterday was Despacito's 1st week down, next week will be its 2nd, the following week his 3rd

 

the guy is right

and have you guys read what the guy posted?

 

he says that if Despacito drops again next week, the following week it will change ratio

 

so he's right

 

yesterday was Despacito's 1st week down, next week will be its 2nd, the following week his 3rd

 

the guy is right

 

Yes so its ratio will be cut after the 3rd week, which is different from what he said

Does the ratio change happen ON the third week of decline, or AFTER (i.e. on the first week after the three consecutive declines)? I genuinely don't actually know :lol:

Edited July 1, 20177 yr by gooddelta

After 3 consecutive weeks of decline a stream to sale ratio of 300:1 (or as otherwise amended by the CSC) can be applied. This is also known as Accelerated Chart Ratio (ACR)

 

from OCC

 

Technically I'm still right, because it dipped last week its on Week 1, we are now into the second week, unless I'm missing something.

Does the ratio change happen ON the third week of decline, or AFTER (i.e. on the first week after the three consecutive declines)? I genuinely don't actually know :lol:

After the third week of decline!

Thanks! Will be interesting to see how these changes play out - I think Wild Thoughts will overtake Despacito soon enough anyway but obviously there will come a time when a long-running #1 is hit by the ratio change while at the top and will possibly lose out to a technically less popular song (especially those songs that have a long stay at #1 after taking a while to climb up there, thereby 'spending' many of their ten weeks before the threat of ratio change happening before even getting to the top).

I'm still trying to get grips with the new rules, I guess it will sink in, once we see the results next week

 

Ain't it funny though, OCC always choose 1 July to introduce new rules, not at the beginning of the new year, they did the same with introducing streams to singles and the albums a year later. :lol:

It must be some historical thing to have chart rule changes in July as there were also changes to the chart rules made on 1 July 1975 which

 

1. led to exclusion rules on the singles chart to speed up the turnover of the chart (sounds familiar?!)

 

2. led to Various Artist albums once again being eligible for the main Albums chart (they had been excluded in July 1973 as they were thought to be distorting the albums market and subsequent Albums chart). In January 1989 they were again removed from the main chart and this is still the case.

 

3. led to the Albums chart extending from a top 50 to a top 60.

 

For those interested the Singles chart rule was announced by then chart compiler, British Market Research Bureau, as follows

 

“It has been decided by the BPI that in order to stimulate activity at the lower end of the chart for new records, those titles between positions 41-50 which two weeks running show a decline of sales and placing will be dropped from the chart altogether. As a result of the BPI’s decision, it has been agreed to omit the longer list of breakers but to retain the star-breakers section.”

 

The move was made after Woolworths was added to the list of chart return shops and data showed that the chart, already quite slow in turover, would be slower still once Woolies sales were included. The chart exclusion rule was dropped in May 1978 when the chart expanded from a top 50 to a top 75.

Edited July 1, 20177 yr by Robbie

Whilst controversial, I think those possible label interventions make sense (and remind us that the chart his here to serve the industry, not the punters!)

 

There's always going to be singles that perform unusually and need to be let off ACR. I suppose the Manual Reset is most likely to be used, in what will now be, rare occasions that an album track spends 10 weeks on the chart and then is later chosen to be a single. It would have SCR applied again only if it managed a 50% increase in sales week on week, which may be difficult for tracks that aren't given that sort of boost by an X Factor performance or advert or Christmas.

 

I am surprised that they haven't put in a rule that ACR cannot be applied whilst a single is still #1/top 5/top 10. Whilst it probably won't affect that many #1 singles, it will happen at some point, and it'll be a bit odd having the best-selling single of the week not being allowed to be #1.

I'm assuming that once a track has been let off ACR and returned to SCR there will be no period of grace (other than 3 subsequent weeks of decline) before the track returns back to ACR. In other words it won't be allowed a further 10 weeks before the rule once again kicks in. That could see the track fall away quite quickly.

 

After the third week of decline!

 

But I take that to mean they apply it on that week. That is still "after 3 weeks". I don't see why they would delay applying it to the 4th week, by which time it might have started increasing again!

Edited July 1, 20177 yr by AcerBen