Their Spotify is a mess. The GH is buried at the bottom of their releases which I'm sure costs it a top 200 place every week in the official chart.

 

Spotify have 'artists picks' at the top of each artists page which is what they are pushing people towards and that should be where the GH is.

 

The GH has been done so dirty over the years, it wasn't even on Spotify until sometime in 2018. When they released the photo of the 5 of them at Geri's house it wasn't on Spotify. Just think of the thousands of sales it lost that week and the 3 years before it. I'm sure had it been handled properly it would be over 800k now.

It's pretty much standard practice for Spotify pages to go studio albums -> singles/EPs -> compilations; some compilations do appear in with the studio albums instead but even so I don't think it'll make much difference as I imagine most people will just go to the This Is: Spice Girls playlist.

It makes a big difference just check how many GH are littered in the album chart.

 

There is no way the Spice Girls album most people would want to listen to is the last listed. The previous thread we have already discussed how Goodbye being last track on albums hurts it, it's the same principle.

Edited February 20, 20214 yr by sammy01

Queen, ABBA, Eminem, Michael Jackson, David Bowie - all their compilations appear at the bottom. If songs appear on a greatest hits album, they'll count towards its streams even if you don't directly listen from that greatest hits, so it doesn't really matter if the compilations are out of the way in the same way the positioning of a specific song would, like 'Goodbye'.

I think it's a combination of people generally preferring their upbeat songs and being the last track of an album that's not as popular as their other two. It's also the lowest single on the 'This is: Spice Girls' playlist, even below an album track and a solo Spice song.

 

That said, I'd have expected it to have cleared 10m by now. It must get an increase at Christmas time when all the music channels replay Christmas #1s, but presumably it's not high enough to counteract the poor streaming it appears to be getting in the other 11 months.

 

44,000th post woo!

Those are some fair points indeed! Even Mama and Too Much have quite low streams compared to the rest of their back catalogue. Having said that, I do think their streams are quite good in general. For a act that hasn't released music since 2000 (yes, I know Headlines but I'm sure the gp would not know/remember that one) and had MASSIVE physical sales, their streams are holding up well.

 

Queen, ABBA, Eminem, Michael Jackson, David Bowie - all their compilations appear at the bottom. If songs appear on a greatest hits album, they'll count towards its streams even if you don't directly listen from that greatest hits, so it doesn't really matter if the compilations are out of the way in the same way the positioning of a specific song would, like 'Goodbye'.

 

Sadly I think for the Spice Girls this isn't true. As the Spice Girls GH is filled with radio edit versions that are shorter I'm 99% sure they only count as album streams to the studio album the song being played from for most Spice girls tracks. Take Mama for instance the album version is 5 minutes and the GH version is much shorter. I'm sure a song stream counting for 2 albums has to be the same song, same length or random remixes, live version and so on would also count as album streams to any album the track appears on.

Edited February 20, 20214 yr by sammy01

Stop has reached 90 million streams on Spotify.

 

It does around 2m a month so it will get to 100m by July :cheer:

 

Wannabe should also get to 600m by August, maybe July seeing as this Summer marks its 25th anniversary

 

2 Become 1 does just over 1.6m streams a month so it should be 100m by Spring 2022 (March/April) it will look so much better to have a few more songs over 100m rather than Wannabe at 500m and everything else under 80m.

 

SYBT does around 1.4m streams a month and is the last of their songs to realistically cross the 100m barrier in 2022 (December as an estimate) but hopefully the boost in 2021 will help it get there a little quicker.

Edited February 20, 20214 yr by Spice Girls Net

Surely 2 Become 1 gets most of its streams in November and December ?

2 Become 1 does 70-80k plus during the Christmas period, I believe.

 

But on an average day like today it does around 60,000 streams.

Edited February 20, 20214 yr by Spice Girls Net

Let's get Stop to 100m before Wannabe's anniversary please

Their Spotify is a mess. The GH is buried at the bottom of their releases which I'm sure costs it a top 200 place every week in the official chart.

 

Spotify have 'artists picks' at the top of each artists page which is what they are pushing people towards and that should be where the GH is.

 

The GH has been done so dirty over the years, it wasn't even on Spotify until sometime in 2018. When they released the photo of the 5 of them at Geri's house it wasn't on Spotify. Just think of the thousands of sales it lost that week and the 3 years before it. I'm sure had it been handled properly it would be over 800k now.

 

Blame Simon Bloody Fuller and his old ways. They really need to get rid of him or get someone else to do *something* with their streams cos currently it is mainly the fans pumping it up.

 

The fact that Girls Aloud and Sugababes GH sold more than the Spice Girls one pissed me off!

I think the Greatest Hits have passed Sugababes GH by now.

 

Slow and steady wins the race.

Blame Simon Bloody Fuller and his old ways. They really need to get rid of him or get someone else to do *something* with their streams cos currently it is mainly the fans pumping it up.

 

The fact that Girls Aloud and Sugababes GH sold more than the Spice Girls one pissed me off!

 

 

Think Spice Girls have either or are very close to outselling Sugababes now... and will be creeping up on Girls Aloud all the time as they have their streams split between TSOGA and Ten... times like this are when not having lots of cheap Greatest Hits to Spice Girls name will help their Greatest Hits keep increasing in sales.

 

Also Sugababes and Girls Aloud did the leg work when CD sales were still what mattered Spice Girls did naff all for the Greatest Hits it still annoys me how they just threw it out and left it to die. I mean seriously was it that hard to get together and create a great upbeat come back single, release it properly and promote it on chat shows etc and really give the GH the best chance? :cry:

The Spice Girls are still great when they act as 1 and have a mutual drive for a project. The failures or underperformances you can absolutely tell all weren't invested.

 

The GH and Headlines/Voodoo Melanie C had zero interest in at the time. Geri and Emma wrote Headlines even though it's listed as written by the Spice Girls. Mel B was busy with Dancing with the stars hence her almost non existent involvement.

 

The musical Victoria was held at gun point to be involved with. I'm sure Simon convinced her she couldn't miss out on it in case it became the next Mama Mia.

 

The SW19 tour and Olympics they were all on the same page to make it successful. I mean they did 8 days rehearsals for a 5 minute performance and SW19 they spent plenty of money on and worked with creative people together.

Edited February 20, 20214 yr by sammy01

Geri and Emma wrote Headlines even though it's listed as written by the Spice Girls.

 

It should be pointed out that a lot of groups have this agreement where it'll be credited to the group even when everyone isn't participating in writing it. Sugababes 1.0-2.0 also had this agreement, hence why Mutya was listed as a writer on all Taller tracks despite not really being that involved at the time. It's also why you can tell that the agreement ended with 3.0 as with Change you noticed that members were indivually credited.

Sadly I think for the Spice Girls this isn't true. As the Spice Girls GH is filled with radio edit versions that are shorter I'm 99% sure they only count as album streams to the studio album the song being played from for most Spice girls tracks. Take Mama for instance the album version is 5 minutes and the GH version is much shorter. I'm sure a song stream counting for 2 albums has to be the same song, same length or random remixes, live version and so on would also count as album streams to any album the track appears on.

 

Their biggest streaming songs (Wannabe, 2 Become 1, Stop, Spice Up Your Life and Say'll Be There) all count towards the GH, you can see when you check the amount of streams they have on the GH edition. It's only the others that have, unfortunately a different version.

So with that I mind, Goodbye has actually easily surpassed the 10-million mark already, as the GH edition has over 1,5 million streams as well.

 

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And talking about their sales versus Sugababes and GA, I don't think it's really fair to compare them. Spice Girls released theirs without much promo and seven years after their heyday. Girls Aloud released theirs right in the middle of their career and it gave them a whole new, more successful chart life. Sugababes have always been a weird one, with Amelle being on the cover, whilst her not even being on most of the songs. Still it was released when they were very successful so ofcourse both of those two sold so much. Also have to keep in mind the first two Spice Girls album easily outsold everything the other two groups released, so most people already had the hits, and Headlines didn't exactly make people can out and buy the album.

 

 

In fact, the Spice Girls are credited as one of the first groups to ever do that in the creditation of their writing credits. That way, they avoided the whole 'only a couple of them actually write their songs' and showed them as a more unified creative force.

 

Show unity in the creation of the song, as all elements of the group inspired the song, even if not all of them actually wrote down some of the lyrics.

 

That then became the standard in music business. That is well explained in the Spice Bible book from David Sinclair and he even goes into the Sugababes 1.0 creditation practices as an example, where all of them were constantly credited (although with their own names, not the group). Overload had 11 writers attached to it, which is insane!

 

You can see in the Forever credits how some of them didnt always contribute to the writing -_-

Their biggest streaming songs (Wannabe, 2 Become 1, Stop, Spice Up Your Life and Say'll Be There) all count towards the GH, you can see when you check the amount of streams they have on the GH edition. It's only the others that have, unfortunately a different version.

So with that I mind, Goodbye has actually easily surpassed the 10-million mark already, as the GH edition has over 1,5 million streams as well.

 

Goodbye will definitely be over the 10m mark already along with the single edit version too.

Their biggest streaming songs (Wannabe, 2 Become 1, Stop, Spice Up Your Life and Say'll Be There) all count towards the GH, you can see when you check the amount of streams they have on the GH edition. It's only the others that have, unfortunately a different version.

So with that I mind, Goodbye has actually easily surpassed the 10-million mark already, as the GH edition has over 1,5 million streams as well.

 

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And talking about their sales versus Sugababes and GA, I don't think it's really fair to compare them. Spice Girls released theirs without much promo and seven years after their heyday. Girls Aloud released theirs right in the middle of their career and it gave them a whole new, more successful chart life. Sugababes have always been a weird one, with Amelle being on the cover, whilst her not even being on most of the songs. Still it was released when they were very successful so ofcourse both of those two sold so much. Also have to keep in mind the first two Spice Girls album easily outsold everything the other two groups released, so most people already had the hits, and Headlines didn't exactly make people can out and buy the album.

 

But UK chart rules down weight the top 2 tracks from an album to the average of the rest which I assume is Wannabe and Stop. So the GH only benefits from SYBT, 2 become 1 and Spice up your life in terms of double counting towards studio and GH album. Add that to the GH being buried on Spotify and you can see why lots of other GH albums chart above it that probably aren't as popular just benefit from double counting and being more prominent.

 

I mean, the GH sells around maybe 20-40k a year at this point depending on their activities (it always gets a boost when one of them is doing solo activities; more so when they're actually doing group things). It will eventually go 3xPlatinum and become a million seller. A lot of current music acts don't sell that much of their own albums at this point.

 

However, it's entirely their own fault that it didn't sell well initially. They're just lazy if we're being quite frank here. They could easily push it and keep it constantly in the lower regions of the top 200 if they actually gave a shit. But they don't.

Edited February 20, 20214 yr by tommie