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Wasn't Brexit supposed to completely collapse our economy... :rolleyes:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-52...l#ixzz52ivJY0pB

 

Employment breaks ten records in a year including new highs for older people, women and ethnic minorities in work

 

The number of people in work in the UK also at a new high of 32.14 million people

 

Department for Work and Pensions says employment reached 75.3 per cent

 

Employment minister Damian Hinds hailed the impact of benefit reforms

 

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Some of the economic predictions were I think 'overhyped' in order to scare people into voting for the status quo, however I would hardly portray our economy as healthy and worthy of celebration - especially since we haven't actually left the EU yet.

 

The economy is working at full capacity and yet growth is mediocre, wages are stagnating and productivity is also flatlining. To me, that's deeply concerning.

Real wage growth is negative because inflation has skyrocketed due to a collapse in the currency and the jobs market is overinflated by millions of insecure zero-hours contracts.

 

Its fabulous that more people are working, its great for the economy and for them. However there has been no signs of increased labour market participation translating to increased productivity which is a major problem for our economy.

Real wage growth is negative because inflation has skyrocketed due to a collapse in the currency and the jobs market is overinflated by millions of insecure zero-hours contracts.

 

Inflation 'skyrocketing'? :rolleyes:

 

You're talking to someone who remembers it being regularly in double figures - even as high as 25%...

 

http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/gr...at-britain.aspx

Just a couple years ago cameron and Osborne were boasting that the UK economy was growing faster than any other in the G7. UK growth is now the lowest in the G7.

 

The UK economy is the only major European economy where growth is positive but real wages are falling.

 

Inflation may be a long way short of the levels seen in the 1970s and '80s, but it is rising.

 

Productivity remains well below that of our competitors.

 

We are about to throw away the best trade deal this country has ever had.

Just a couple years ago cameron and Osborne were boasting that the UK economy was growing faster than any other in the G7. UK growth is now the lowest in the G7.

 

The UK economy is the only major European economy where growth is positive but real wages are falling.

 

Inflation may be a long way short of the levels seen in the 1970s and '80s, but it is rising.

 

Productivity remains well below that of our competitors.

 

We are about to throw away the best trade deal this country has ever had.

 

That remains to be seen - but it was still our choice to make.

No, it was the choice of billionaire press barons and 51%. So no.

 

Even billionaire press barons have only one vote each - and how would *they* benefit from Brexit anyway?

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Good thing they tell millions how to vote then ey and have platforms to brainwash and sway millions
Good thing they tell millions how to vote then ey and have platforms to brainwash and sway millions

 

They can't *tell* people how to vote, only present the Leave case to them. I assume you have no problem with the public money pumped in by the gov't to support the Remain side?

 

'BeLEAVE in Britain: Vote LEAVE in the referendum to get back control

 

Hi hmm...

 

Are you suggesting we won't get back control, once we leave?

 

No, I am disputong your point that Murdoch and co don't tell people how to vote. They do it every single time. What was th front page for the election? Dodn't it have the words 'vote Conservative' on there somewhere? Pretty sure it did.
No, I am disputong your point that Murdoch and co don't tell people how to vote. They do it every single time. What was th front page for the election? Dodn't it have the words 'vote Conservative' on there somewhere? Pretty sure it did.

 

OK then, even if they are saying that, it doesn't mean that voters don't have the free will to make their own choice, regardless.

 

Also, if people are reading a Conservative supporting paper. surely they're more inclined to vote Tory *anyway*?

Wrong.

 

They read them out of buyer habit and from the fact those papers pretend to speak for everyone. The Sun also switches its allegiance to whichever corporate party Mudoch thinks will win/ wants to win at the time.

That remains to be seen - but it was still our choice to make.

"See, the economy's doing really well! Brexit will be fine!"

 

Several key statistics show the economy is slowing down and looking in rather bad shape

 

"It's too soon to draw any conclusions until after we leave"

"See, the economy's doing really well! Brexit will be fine!"

 

Several key statistics show the economy is slowing down and looking in rather bad shape

 

"It's too soon to draw any conclusions until after we leave"

 

I noticed this ironic change of stance too :lol:

Wasn't Brexit supposed to completely collapse our economy... :rolleyes:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-52...l#ixzz52ivJY0pB

 

Employment breaks ten records in a year including new highs for older people, women and ethnic minorities in work

 

The number of people in work in the UK also at a new high of 32.14 million people

 

Department for Work and Pensions says employment reached 75.3 per cent

 

Employment minister Damian Hinds hailed the impact of benefit reforms

 

So, people who should be retired are having to work longer (hooray for us having to carry on working rather than enjoying life!)

 

So, women are having to work longer than they used to (60), hooray for having to work longer rather than enjoying life!

 

32 million people in work is because so many of us (including me) are now job sharing, so the figures are massaged bollocks. How many of those jobs are FULL-TIME and PERMANENT. That's the key point. How many of those jobs are because older people can't afford to retire and are therefore kept in the job market doing part-time work? If there are only 23 million jobs which are full-time it's bullshit. If 5 million are zero hour contracts and the jobs seasonal than that's also bullshit.

 

Then Damian Distorty makes bogus claims about tax breaks meaning all these people are fabulously well off, when in actual fact the cost of living has far exceeded any wage rises or tax breaks (except for the rich), so this is also bullshit.

 

Plus, oh yes, BREXIT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. Just a small point. The Mail said the EU would be climbing over themselves to give us fabulous deals on trade. All that has happened so far: Pound has dropped and stayed dropped compared to May 2016. Inflation. Some jobs have moved to the EU (just a small amount so far, but...). We have agreed to all the EU's terms, including the cost of leaving. Workers enetring the country to support the NHS (and so on) have dropped, leaving vacancies unfilled. I don't see zero hours pensioners taking on these sort of jobs in the near or far future...

 

Daily Mail: a voice you can guarantee to give you a one-sided view with no intellectual assessment of reality....

 

That remains to be seen - but it was still our choice to make.

Most of the points I made were facts, not speculation. The only vaguely speculative one was the trade deal, but nobody has yet explained why the EU would give us a trade deal at least as good as the one we already have.

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