Then of course there is his boss who told us that we must vote for her because she is such a brilliant negotiator. Let's have a look at that technique.

 

Mayhem: Ah, Jeremy, I want to move you to Business Secretary.

*unt: I don't want to go.

Mayhem: I'm Prime Minister and I'm moving you.

*unt: I'm not going. I want to stay and I want to add Social Care to my department's name.

Mayhem: OK then. Now who's next? Ah yes, Justine Greening. This should be easy.

 

Ha!

 

Now Davy & Philo are in germany desperate to warn that not givig the UK a unique Financial Services deal that is not available to anyone not in the Single Market (ie our "cake") will lead to a worldwide financial crash. This is a threat so we can get our way ("and eat it"). Given British banks were behind a large part of the last financial crash and the Tories have been threatening to relax tax regulations to make the UK a tax haven (rather than just our overseas territories) one would imagine the EU are quaking in their boots at the ever-changing nature of the UK threats and Project Fear that Leavers once claimed was all lies but are now actually quoting and using as threats against the EU. They appear to have forgotten all of their promises and have adopted all of the Remainer arguments.....

 

Project Paradise suddenly turned into Project Fear? You can read it here...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/j...deal?CMP=twt_gu

 

 

This seems a very petty move...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-...n-a8149786.html

My understanding is that they only stock a selection of papers rather than the full range. Therefore, they can justify dropping a title that sells one copy for every four trains on which it is stocked as a commercial decision. The fact that it helps to detoxify that part of the train is just a bonus.

My understanding is that they only stock a selection of papers rather than the full range. Therefore, they can justify dropping a title that sells one copy for every four trains on which it is stocked as a commercial decision. The fact that it helps to detoxify that part of the train is just a bonus.

 

'Detoxify'? The ire directed towards a newspaper that a lot of people *like* to read, seems to know no bounds here. :mellow:

'Detoxify'? The ire directed towards a newspaper that a lot of people *like* to read, seems to know no bounds here. :mellow:

 

It supported the Nazis.

Ha!

 

Now Davy & Philo are in germany desperate to warn that not givig the UK a unique Financial Services deal that is not available to anyone not in the Single Market (ie our "cake") will lead to a worldwide financial crash. This is a threat so we can get our way ("and eat it"). Given British banks were behind a large part of the last financial crash and the Tories have been threatening to relax tax regulations to make the UK a tax haven (rather than just our overseas territories) one would imagine the EU are quaking in their boots at the ever-changing nature of the UK threats and Project Fear that Leavers once claimed was all lies but are now actually quoting and using as threats against the EU. They appear to have forgotten all of their promises and have adopted all of the Remainer arguments.....

 

Project Paradise suddenly turned into Project Fear? You can read it here...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/j...deal?CMP=twt_gu

 

Could not make it up.

 

This shows that reducing such a complex issue to a teeny tiny majority and only 2/4 nations agreeing to it vote was insane. Pithy headlines, puns and blaming the EU for everything does not equate economic reason or financial arguments.

 

'Detoxify'? The ire directed towards a newspaper that a lot of people *like* to read, seems to know no bounds here. :mellow:

Anyone who enjoys that rag gets the same ire

It supported the Nazis.

 

That was 80 years ago, FFS!

Could not make it up.

 

This shows that reducing such a complex issue to a teeny tiny majority and only 2/4 nations agreeing to it vote was insane. Pithy headlines, puns and blaming the EU for everything does not equate economic reason or financial arguments.

 

Whereas 'selfish uneducated oldies have deprived us kids of opportunities' is a radically better argument? :huh:

Oh ok.

 

Well, I'm waiting x

 

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Oh ok.

 

Well, I'm waiting x

 

http://www.wildlifesafariexploreans.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Tsavo-West-leopard-400x300.jpg

 

I suppose that's your way of saying 'a leopard doesn't change its spots'.

 

Perhaps then you could point to one single Mail article since 1945 in which they have supported the Nazis?

I could point to their use of news as an obvious means of propaganda, repeated lies, personal attacks, absence of left wing views,right wing opinion eds and existence as an echo chamber instead. When it stops being so vile, attacking UK institutions of democracy and being so nationalistic, narrow-minded and with tunnel vision, then I might accept it as a news source. Until then, it is an echo chamber propaganda arm of its owner, just like Fox News.

I suppose that's your way of saying 'a leopard doesn't change its spots'.

 

Perhaps then you could point to one single Mail article since 1945 in which they have supported the Nazis?

I mean... it became a bit niche after 1945.

I could point to their use of news as an obvious means of propaganda, repeated lies, personal attacks, absence of left wing views,right wing opinion eds and existence as an echo chamber instead. When it stops being so vile, attacking UK institutions of democracy and being so nationalistic, narrow-minded and with tunnel vision, then I might accept it as a news source. Until then, it is an echo chamber propaganda arm of its owner, just like Fox News.

 

All newspapers reflect the mindset of their owners, so that in itself is nothing unusual.

 

I mean... it became a bit niche after 1945.

 

Obviously, because that's when their real nature became only too apparent. Totalitarian regimes always present a rosy picture to the outside work - the Nazis at the 1936 Olympics; Stalin during the time of the purges, etc.

 

Perhaps the crucial issue is : did the Mail ever admit they were wrong to support the Nazis?

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Regarding the Virgin Trains/Daily Mail issue, my thoughts on it are thusly -

 

As a private company, Virgin Trains are free to sell and distribute whatever they want in their trains, including newspapers. And if the consumer is not happy about it, then they can express their opinion by voting with their feet (or in this case, with their railcard).

 

I have some reservations about why Richard Branson/Virgin decided to make this move now, and that's because, as some have pointed out, that this story will help to deflect from some of the negative headlines that they have received over the past few weeks. They've received huge criticism for their running of one of their franchises recently (something for which they've been criticised for, funnily enough, in the Daily Mail), their social media presence was heavily rebuked for sending sexist & belittling remarks, and that's before we even come to stories surrounding alleged sexual harassment from Mr Virgin himself, Richard Branson. My inner sceptic is of the opinion that the main reason why VT have made this announcement now is to move the conversation away from everything wrong with VT, and into something that will give them endless kudos with the Twitterati & people of a left-leaning persuasion. And by jove, it appears to have worked for the time being - a bait & switch straight out of the Trump playbook.

 

To test the theory - the next time a major UK company makes an announcement that they are to cut ties with the Daily Mail, do a quick Google search to see if there are any stories in the media in the preceding days that said company would like to bury. If there are, you'll have your answer.

You'd almost think Virgin Trains have taken their cue from the government :lol: Make that "any government" to be fair.

Interestingly the negative press has been focused on the East Coast service but this relates only to the West Coast line. Everything I’ve read has pointed out the distinction but of course we all know that people are just going to see Virgin and think it’s the same company

Apparently Virgin Trains now only sell the Times, FT and Mirror. Therefore, it has gone from four papers I don't want to three.

Regarding the Virgin Trains/Daily Mail issue, my thoughts on it are thusly -

 

As a private company, Virgin Trains are free to sell and distribute whatever they want in their trains, including newspapers. And if the consumer is not happy about it, then they can express their opinion by voting with their feet (or in this case, with their railcard).

 

Not really an option though if you don't own a car and the only train operator on the route you commute on is ran by Virgin Trains - and thus the absurdity of having a franchise on a national rail network.

I suppose that's your way of saying 'a leopard doesn't change its spots'.

 

Perhaps then you could point to one single Mail article since 1945 in which they have supported the Nazis?

 

How about calling our judges (and legal system) and MP's (elected by us) "Enemies Of The People" and encouraging every nutter to murder yet another one - because they, the Lord God Daily Mail, don't agree with democracy and the British Constitution as it is written. They can f*** off to their non-British domiciles and stay out of OUR affairs. They are not British any more than Rupert (Aussie/American) Murdoch is. As farage said to Pres Obama - "stop sticking your nose into British affairs". The same Farage who is supporting Nazis in Germany and elsewhere, and who has the support of the Daily Mail.

 

So if you choose to ignore basic facts that is being selective with the truth. Fake News, it's called.

As for the Daily Mail, probably the most known example in recent years was the suicide of Lucy Meadows which I think was as a direct consequence of a hate-inciting transphobic article they published in 2013.