totally. I frequently want to throw objects at the useless timidity of the BBC - SKY presenters (not the most left-wing of organisations) actually do a better job of quizzing much of the time. At least as long as Rupes doesn't get his bruised 100% hands on them...

 

Apparently (and it may be fake news) Rupert fell down some stairs on his boat and landed head first in the toilet. Can you imagine if it had killed him, and the jokes....?

 

Doesn't bear thinking about. Poor ol Jerry's heart must have skipped a beat at the thought of the reading of the Will....

Well, Maxwell died in a boat-related incident, so it would have been quite fitting really.

1. because I'm not an idiot and I don't trust anything a politician says without back-up

 

2. That's not the impression you give though, so it's good to hear confirmation.

 

4. So the same "news" and propaganda slightly rewritten...

 

Self-monitoring doesn't work, and neither do toothless organisations (see Banking Crisis and many disasters)

 

1. I always look for back-up for anything I post here that's sourced from the Mail, as I know people here won'r read it otherwise.

 

4. I knew I should have used the tongue-in-cheek smiley.

 

I agree about self-monitoring, but any outside body could be susceptible to political influence.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5428081/bbc-n...against-brexit/

 

BBC 'BIAS' LAID BARE Study proves BBC is ‘overwhelmingly’ biased against Brexit

The corporation's flagship Radio 4 programme, Today, has featured just 3.2 per cent of guests in favour of leaving the EU.

 

By Miles Goslett

26th January 2018, 1:19 amUpdated: 26th January 2018, 5:31 am

THE BBC’s news coverage of the EU shows overwhelming bias against pro-Brexit opinions, a study has found.

 

The report, titled ‘Brussels Broadcasting Corporation?’, monitored thousands of hours of radio and TV shows dating back to 1999 including the flagship Radio 4 programme Today.

 

Rare Brexiteer appearance... just 3.2% of interviewees on Radio 4's flagship new show, Today, were anti-EU, despite consistent public support for EU withdrawal throughout this time

 

Of 4,275 guests on Today between 2005 and 2015 who talked about the EU, only 132 were Brexiteers.

 

Put another way, just 3.2% of Today interviewees were anti-EU, despite consistent public support for EU withdrawal throughout this time.

 

The report, published by think-tank Civitas in conjunction with the group News-watch, also found that Left-wing Brexiteers have been consistently excluded from BBC news programmes.

 

Using specialist media monitoring techniques, researchers analysed 274 hours of BBC coverage of EU issues broadcast between 2002 and 2017.

 

Pro-EU Tory politicians, Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine were regular guests on the BBC's EU coverage

They found just 14 speakers - 0.2% of those interviewed - were Left-wing advocates of leaving the EU despite an estimated four million Labour voters being Eurosceptic.

 

Between them, these 14 contributors spoke for just 12 minutes.

 

By comparison, two pro-EU Tory politicians, Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine, clocked up 28 appearances during the same period. Clarke and Heseltine were given nine times as much airtime as the 14 Left-wing Eurosceptics put together.

 

One of the report’s backers, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, said:“The BBC is the Guardian newspaper of the airwaves.

 

It is determined to present its EU coverage in terms of Tory ‘splits’ and conveniently ignores the fact that vast swathes of Labour supporters voted for Brexit as well.”

 

It’s also come to light via the report that BBC chief Lord Hall and BBC chairman Sir David Clementi have “repeatedly” refused to meet a cross-party group of MPs including Labour’s Kate Hoey and Graham Stringer, and Tories Philip Davies and Philip Hollobone, to discuss the latest research.

 

Lord Pearson added: “Under the terms of the BBC Charter and the BBC’s guidelines, the BBC has to be impartial and must reflect significant strands of public opinion in all of its news programmes. This report shows it has breached that agreement spectacularly.”

 

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I would have posted from one of your favoured sources, but strangely they've declined to publicize this, :rolleyes:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5428081/bbc-n...against-brexit/

 

BBC 'BIAS' LAID BARE Study proves BBC is ‘overwhelmingly’ biased against Brexit

The corporation's flagship Radio 4 programme, Today, has featured just 3.2 per cent of guests in favour of leaving the EU.

 

By Miles Goslett

26th January 2018, 1:19 amUpdated: 26th January 2018, 5:31 am

THE BBC’s news coverage of the EU shows overwhelming bias against pro-Brexit opinions, a study has found.

 

The report, titled ‘Brussels Broadcasting Corporation?’, monitored thousands of hours of radio and TV shows dating back to 1999 including the flagship Radio 4 programme Today.

 

Rare Brexiteer appearance... just 3.2% of interviewees on Radio 4's flagship new show, Today, were anti-EU, despite consistent public support for EU withdrawal throughout this time

 

Of 4,275 guests on Today between 2005 and 2015 who talked about the EU, only 132 were Brexiteers.

 

Put another way, just 3.2% of Today interviewees were anti-EU, despite consistent public support for EU withdrawal throughout this time.

 

The report, published by think-tank Civitas in conjunction with the group News-watch, also found that Left-wing Brexiteers have been consistently excluded from BBC news programmes.

 

Using specialist media monitoring techniques, researchers analysed 274 hours of BBC coverage of EU issues broadcast between 2002 and 2017.

 

Pro-EU Tory politicians, Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine were regular guests on the BBC's EU coverage

They found just 14 speakers - 0.2% of those interviewed - were Left-wing advocates of leaving the EU despite an estimated four million Labour voters being Eurosceptic.

 

Between them, these 14 contributors spoke for just 12 minutes.

 

By comparison, two pro-EU Tory politicians, Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine, clocked up 28 appearances during the same period. Clarke and Heseltine were given nine times as much airtime as the 14 Left-wing Eurosceptics put together.

 

One of the report’s backers, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, said:“The BBC is the Guardian newspaper of the airwaves.

 

It is determined to present its EU coverage in terms of Tory ‘splits’ and conveniently ignores the fact that vast swathes of Labour supporters voted for Brexit as well.”

 

It’s also come to light via the report that BBC chief Lord Hall and BBC chairman Sir David Clementi have “repeatedly” refused to meet a cross-party group of MPs including Labour’s Kate Hoey and Graham Stringer, and Tories Philip Davies and Philip Hollobone, to discuss the latest research.

 

Lord Pearson added: “Under the terms of the BBC Charter and the BBC’s guidelines, the BBC has to be impartial and must reflect significant strands of public opinion in all of its news programmes. This report shows it has breached that agreement spectacularly.”

 

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I would have posted from one of your favoured sources, but strangely they've declined to publicize this, :rolleyes:

That's because it's a load of balls.

It also doesnt say who the group is, who's paid for the "research", and that the stats are based on the previous decade up to a year before the referendum for one radio show that nobody much listens to.

 

It doesn't have any stats for the whole range of BBC product since the referendum so it's worthless. Might as well have some stats for how many guests have been on The One Show in 10 years who mentioned Brexit in a negative light. Or front page headlines on the million-selling* newspapers that were pro-Leave, anti-EU, lie-spreading. My poll, carried out by the Popchartfreak EU-Muckspreading Study, found there were 52% of them......

 

(* in total collectively)

TheSun etc LOVE trying to push media even FURTHER to the right to prop up Murdoch's campaign of propaganda. BBTory is NOTHING short of toeing the Tory Brexit line, with such meaningless newspeak phrrases like, will err the perpleerrr, perrpleeee hervvv sperkerrrn, etc, for a 52% result.

That's because it's a load of balls.

 

Do you mean this article specifically, or *anything* pro-Brexit? :thinking:

 

TheSun etc LOVE trying to push media even FURTHER to the right to prop up Murdoch's campaign of propaganda. BBTory is NOTHING short of toeing the Tory Brexit line, with such meaningless newspeak phrrases like, will err the perpleerrr, perrpleeee hervvv sperkerrrn, etc, for a 52% result.

 

There is no *Tory* brexit line, just a government one - if the parties were reversed, Labour would have the same moral obligation to respect the referendum result as the Tories do.

 

After all *no* government would dare hold a referendum on the promise 'We will implement the result, as long as it's the one we wanted'...

 

No, they wouldn't as the result was inconclusive at best. Referendums should need 60% at MINIMUM and 3/4 of the nations IN A UNION

Specifically that article. Clearly.

 

Wasteman

No, they wouldn't as the result was inconclusive at best. Referendums should need 60% at MINIMUM and 3/4 of the nations IN A UNION

 

Yawn.

The clear pro-Leave bias since the referendum is far more relevant than any perceived bias in a ten-year period that ended three years ago. The report doesn't make it clear whether they were only looking at items where the EU was the subject under discussion. If it covered all appearances by politicians, their figures are worse than irrelevant.

The usual warnings about a single poll apply, but the Guardian has a all showing strong support for a vote on the final deal. Interestingly, it shows a narrow win for Remain with the biggest pro-Remain swing among students. There is a small swing towards Leave among retired people. In other words, the gap between younger voters and older voters has increased still further.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/j..._medium=twitter

The usual warnings about a single poll apply, but the Guardian has a all showing strong support for a vote on the final deal. Interestingly, it shows a narrow win for Remain with the biggest pro-Remain swing among students. There is a small swing towards Leave among retired people. In other words, the gap between younger voters and older voters has increased still further.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/j..._medium=twitter

 

It's a parting gift of the elderly before the NHS cuts kill 'em off. "f*** us and we'll f*** you all"

The usual warnings about a single poll apply, but the Guardian has a all showing strong support for a vote on the final deal. Interestingly, it shows a narrow win for Remain with the biggest pro-Remain swing among students. There is a small swing towards Leave among retired people. In other words, the gap between younger voters and older voters has increased still further.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/j..._medium=twitter

 

Not that I'm cynical :teresa: , but if I published a poll from the Mail that supported my position, I wonder what the reaction to it here might be... :heehee:

Not that I'm cynical :teresa: , but if I published a poll from the Mail that supported my position, I wonder what the reaction to it here might be... :heehee:

Look at the first eight words.

Look at the first eight words.

 

Can I quote them the next time I post a Poll from the Mail... ;)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...des-immigration

 

Why Brexit has made us more relaxed about immigration

Kenan Malik

 

Changing attitudes suggest that liberals should examine their own prejudices

 

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:thinking:

 

I thought liberals weren't supposed to have prejudices... :heehee:

Edited January 28, 20187 yr by vidcapper

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...des-immigration

 

Why Brexit has made us more relaxed about immigration

Kenan Malik

 

Changing attitudes suggest that liberals should examine their own prejudices

 

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:thinking:

 

I thought liberals weren't supposed to have prejudices... :heehee:

You seem to be thinking of the US definition/understanding of 'liberal' as in anyone even slightly left of centre. Not the same at all as what is usually meant by the term in the UK.

You seem to be thinking of the US definition/understanding of 'liberal' as in anyone even slightly left of centre. Not the same at all as what is usually meant by the term in the UK.

 

I was simply following the context used in the article.

 

I'm well aware that US politics is far more polarized than ours - they don't really have a centrist equivalent to our Lib Dem's, neither do they have a mainstream party who openly advocates leftist, Corbyn-like policies.

 

I was simply following the context used in the article.

 

I'm well aware that US politics is far more polarized than ours - they don't really have a centrist equivalent to our Lib Dem's, neither do they have a mainstream party who openly advocates leftist, Corbyn-like policies.

The Democrats are basically the former with the voter base of the latter.

 

As for the article - it's a very odd conclusion to make. Given the salience of immigration during the referendum and the extreme rhetoric that was being peddled, and given that the fallout from the result has dominated the news cycle ever since, it would be perfectly reasonable to assume that people were thinking about it more.