https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/albertonar...-the-uk-will-be

 

Buzzfeed, but ok.

 

If the government is saying the UK will be worse off in EVERY way and in EVERY region, WHY are they forcing this through based on a teeny tiny victory? If Tories had spines they would lead, not follow the press.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/albertonar...-the-uk-will-be

 

Buzzfeed, but ok.

 

If the government is daying thr UK will br worsr off in EVERY way and in EVERY region, WHY are they forcing this through based on a trrny tiny victory? If Tories had spines they would lead, not follow the press.

 

Since when did you trust *anything* that comes out of a Tory gov't? :lol:

Since when did you trust *anything* that comes out of a Tory gov't? :lol:

 

Official figures. Not a laughing matter to shrug off because you don't like the facts.

 

Bottom line: The Tory government's OWN brexiteers have finally admitted (In secret, to be kept secret from the voting public at all costs) that in all sceanarios we will be worse off from 2% to 8%. This will be optimistic. because it's not in their interest to be pessimistic.

 

Liar David Davies has proven himself to be a Liar. Liar Theresa May promised a Brave New World full of opportunites not 15 years of economic misery.

 

Liar Rees-Mogg who said it would all be marvellous, and could saty in the Single Market, as the vast majority of Hard Brexiteers (now) lied during the campaign, and said it would all be wrapped up within 2 years are now rewriting history and saying despite what they all lied about to the public that they now have a platform for the hardest soonest Hard Brexit imaginable because of the result that they all lied about. Liar Rees-Mogg is aiming to backstab May to become a Victorian workhouse PM as he lies his way to the bank, to avoid incoming EU legisaltion about offshore tax avoiders. Rees-Mogg is very very rich and very very involved in offshore tax schemes.

 

Liars. They have proved it themselves, so there will be no more bollocks about the UK being better off. That concept is officially dead.

Iain Duncan Smith has told the BBC that the report is "incomplete". Naturally he wasn't challenged at all. A suitable response would have been "By 'incomplete' do you mean that civil servants have been told to go away and sex up the report to make it look better?". However, once again, Leave supporters are able to say whatever they want without a hint of challenge.

Official figures. Not a laughing matter to shrug off because you don't like the facts.

 

Who's 'shrugging it off' - I was merely pointing out Shia LeMuffQueef's hypocrisy - he supposedly hates the Tories guts, yet he quotes their figures when it suits him...

 

Liars. They have proved it themselves, so there will be no more bollocks about the UK being better off. That concept is officially dead.

 

By which you only mean economically - but there is more to a country than just finance.

 

Can you put a price on political independence?

 

Who's 'shrugging it off' - I was merely pointing out Shia LeMuffQueef's hypocrisy - he supposedly hates the Tories guts, yet he quotes their figures when it suits him...

They're government studies written presumably by civil servants...

Can you put a price on political independence?

8% of GDP

Can you put a price on political independence?

 

8% of GDP

 

That *was* a rhetorical question of course. ;)

So what's this now, Project Fear XII. I can't wait until the UK government delivers a fantastic deal for the UK, the posturing from the EU has been ridiculous and we've got another 9 months of this nonsense.

Edited January 30, 20187 yr by PeaceMob

Um as the report, and common sense, would tell you, any deal will be WORSE than the deal we have now.

 

A fantastic deal as you say would be um replicating everything about this deal,just withouy the power to be involved in laws

So what's this now, Project Fear XII. I can't wait until the UK government delivers a fantastic deal for the UK, the posturing from the EU has been ridiculous and we've got another 9 months of this nonsense.

Why would the EU offer us a better trade deal than the one we have now? How would the other member states sell such a deal to their parliaments and, ultimately, their electorates?

 

How are the EU posturing? Their whole purpose is to look after the interests of its members. That's what it is doing.

Why would the EU offer us a better trade deal than the one we have now? How would the other member states sell such a deal to their parliaments and, ultimately, their electorates?

 

How are the EU posturing? Their whole purpose is to look after the interests of its members. That's what it is doing.

 

But the UK doesn't have a good trade deal with the EU, clearly the British people felt it wasn't good enough and voted to leave. The EU NEED the UK, we are their best trade customer. The EU NEED the UK, we have the biggest financial centre in the world. The EU don't have much of a choice.

 

The EU are full of bluster and postering, I believe the UK government are allowing them to get away with this crap because they are prioritising sealing a much better deal with them over their childish antics. Canada had to put up with this nonsense when they negotiated the CETA deal but in the end a deal happened.

Edited January 30, 20187 yr by PeaceMob

52%. 48% of the people, incl majorities in two of four nations, said it WAS good enough.

 

The biggest financial centre in the world is THANKS TO THE EU. Without it, expect it to LOSE THAT POSITION AND LOSE COMPANIES TO EU STATES.

 

UK = 60m, island

EU = 500 m, large landmass, incl. Germany, the most powerful state in Europe

 

Hmmm

But the UK doesn't have a good trade deal with the EU, clearly the British people felt it wasn't good enough and voted to leave. The EU NEED the UK, we are their best trade customer. The EU NEED the UK, we have the biggest financial centre in the world. The EU don't have much of a choice.

 

The EU are full of bluster and postering, I believe the UK government are allowing them to get away with this crap because they are prioritising sealing a much better deal with them over their childish antics. Canada had to put up with this nonsense when they negotiated the CETA deal but in the end a deal happened.

How do we get a better deal than tariff-free trade? Do you seriously think the average voter has got a clue about trade deals?

 

We are the biggest financial centre in Europe partly because we are in the EU. Some financial services companies are already moving out. Others will surely follow,

How do we get a better deal than tariff-free trade? Do you seriously think the average voter has got a clue about trade deals?

 

We are the biggest financial centre in Europe partly because we are in the EU. Some financial services companies are already moving out. Others will surely follow,

 

Even Switzerland has a bigger financial centre than any EU member country (except the UK of course), Switzerland aren't in the EU. Switzerland with a population of 8 million people have an extremely prosperous, high standard of living and yet they're not in the EU and don't ever plan to be in the future.

 

The EU need the UK far, far, more than the UK needs them. The French people feel the same way about the EU too, that is why the French President Macron admitted recently on British television that if there was a Frexit referendum they would vote to leave too. The EU are the emperor's with no clothes. Look the EU does have its positives but to say the UK is so reliant on the EU is quite frankly a load of bull.

Edited January 30, 20187 yr by PeaceMob

Even Switzerland has a bigger financial centre than any EU member country (except the UK of course), Switzerland aren't in the EU. Switzerland with a population of 8 million people have an extremely prosperous, high standard of living and yet they're not in the EU and don't ever plan to be in the future.

 

The EU need the UK far, far, more than the UK needs them. The French people feel the same way about the EU too, that is why the French President Macron admitted recently on British television that if there was a Frexit referendum they would vote to leave too. The EU are the emperor's with no clothes. Look the EU does have its positives but to say the UK is so reliant on the EU is quite frankly a load of bull.

I assume your name is something along the lines of David Lewis Dedd - or D Lew Dedd for short.

 

You have misquoted Macron. He did NOT say that the French would vote to leave now. He said they would have done so in summer 2016. Every recent poll suggests they would vote heavily in favour of reining. Even the FN have given up calling for a referendum.

 

Switzerland accept the four freedoms of the single market. In order to keep our current trade terms, we will have to do the same. They have been successful in maintaining a strong economy using Nazi gold.

Who's 'shrugging it off' - I was merely pointing out Shia LeMuffQueef's hypocrisy - he supposedly hates the Tories guts, yet he quotes their figures when it suits him...

By which you only mean economically - but there is more to a country than just finance.

 

Can you put a price on political independence?

 

Yes. Everyone's price will be different. Obviously you are happy to be several thousand worse off each year, potentially. I would happily be a few hundred worse off NOT to leave the EU, just to keep the Tories hands off the NHS and all the areas that will get hammered due to them and Brexit.

 

Are you prepared to hypothetically die in an ambulance from cuts following a catastrophic economy? If you're fine with that, fair enough. I'm not.

So what's this now, Project Fear XII. I can't wait until the UK government delivers a fantastic deal for the UK, the posturing from the EU has been ridiculous and we've got another 9 months of this nonsense.

9 months? Even Hard Brexiters know it's going to take years to get deals even we leave the EU with no deal whatsoever (which would be disastrous).

 

All Brexiteers have to do is show a complete report, showing exactly how, when, where, why we will have marvellous trade deals and how they will exactly boost the UK economy. They've had 10 years to prepare one. And another 18 months on top since the referendum. Guess what? There isn;t one BECAUSE WE WILL BE WORSE OFF. If it were otherwise, they could prove it by pisssing against a wall as easy as they claimed it would be. So far? Nothing. No deals, UK caved in to EU, and everything Leavers claimed is proven to be a lie.

52%. 48% of the people, incl majorities in two of four nations, said it WAS good enough.

 

Yawn

 

The biggest financial centre in the world is THANKS TO THE EU.

 

Excuse me - we were the biggest financial center in the world well before we joined the EU!

 

New York is a bigger financial centre than London. To deny the EUs role in keeping London the finance capital of Europe is to deny reality and facts. Free movement of capital (one of the infamous 4 pillars) allows money to flow through London and onto the continent. So this allows it to capitalise on the fact that the international language of business is English and it’s historical past as the financial centre of the British Empire. The problem we have is that London’s position as the main financial centre in the EU means that it handles huge amount of Euro denominated transactions for EU banks that will no longer happen under any Brexit scenario without single market access. London needs freedom of capital to operate as successfully as it does. Paris, Frankfurt and Madrid all have eyes on being the place that takes London’s role and that’ll be supported by their governments. Which means only the most delusional of brexiteer would expect us to get a financial services deal post Brexit that replicated the same freedom of access we need for London.

 

After all, the 4 pillars are indivisible.