The EU need the UK far, far, more than the UK needs them.

 

They certainly need our large net contribution... :rolleyes:

 

The French people feel the same way about the EU too, that is why the French President Macron admitted recently on British television that if there was a Frexit referendum they would vote to leave too. The EU are the emperor's with no clothes. Look the EU does have its positives but to say the UK is so reliant on the EU is quite frankly a load of bull.

 

You're the only other person here who doesn't seem to naively trust the EU without sufficient reason. :cheer:

 

 

You're the only other person here who doesn't seem to naively trust the EU without sufficient reason. :cheer:

 

I was the only person on here that was 100% confident that Donald Trump was going to win the election so really I'm used to it.

They certainly need our large net contribution... :rolleyes:

You're the only other person here who doesn't seem to naively trust the EU without sufficient reason. :cheer:

 

The only net contribution the Eu needs will be the ones British trawlers will be using to overfish and deplete fish stocks :P

 

I'm 60. I'm not naive. You are naive sonny.....

I was the only person on here that was 100% confident that Donald Trump was going to win the election so really I'm used to it.

 

Yu didn't ask me if I thought he'd win the election. I got the referendum result exactly right down to 0.1%

 

PS he didn't get the most votes by several million so he he wasn't the most popular of the 2 candidates, and still isn't.

I'm 60. I'm not naive. You are naive sonny.....

 

Are you saying I'm naive *not* to trust the EU? :unsure:

 

Either way, I consider the EU too diverse to work together comfortably in the long term (at least America shares a common language & culture), and there are too few economically strong members to prop all the others up.

Edited January 31, 20187 yr by vidcapper

Are you saying I'm naive *not* to trust the EU? :unsure:

 

Either way, I consider the EU too diverse to work together comfortably in the long term (at least America shares a common language & culture), and there are too few economically strong members to prop all the others up.

Displaying an impressive lack of knowledge of America's economic and cultural geography, there.

Displaying an impressive lack of knowledge of America's economic and cultural geography, there.

 

How interesting that you'd concentrate on a minor point, rather than the main issue - especially since you come down on me like a ton of bricks when I do that...

I was the only person on here that was 100% confident that Donald Trump was going to win the election so really I'm used to it.

 

 

I was very confident too. Maybe not 100% though.

Are you saying I'm naive *not* to trust the EU? :unsure:

 

Either way, I consider the EU too diverse to work together comfortably in the long term (at least America shares a common language & culture), and there are too few economically strong members to prop all the others up.

 

You're naive to believe all the BS spouted by right-wing politicians and wildly optimistically believe it wont affect our wellbeing as a nation. I'm not naive to believe that for the human race to survive (and the planet) there has to be a will to co-operate and work together for the common good of all, not the common good of a minority of super-rich twats who dont care about anyone but themselves getting even richer and even more powerful.

 

The alternative is an end to the human race (and a potential end to the planet, but almost certainly vast numbers of species along with us). That might not bother you as long as there are flags to be waved and foreigners to be pilloried, but it strikes me as completely missing the important future of life as we know it. Variety is the spice of life, not something to be feared.

How interesting that you'd concentrate on a minor point, rather than the main issue - especially since you come down on me like a ton of bricks when I do that...

 

errr the American Civil War? Large areas of Latin Americans, black Americans, European Americans, Japanese Americans. Indian americans, Native Americans, the whole history of the USA (all 200 years of it) is based on a mix of cultures all coming together, mostly overcoming bigotry and hatred and becoming the most powerful nation on the planet.

 

What part of that is a "minor point": that they are all getting along (relatively speaking, though there is much progress still to make) now is a testament to agreeing and fighting for a coming together of different cultures. Guess what? the end result, though flawed, doesn't make Americans regret that they declared independence from the tyrannical British who instead imposed their culture on other countries, rather than assimilate or adapt. Rich British of course. The poor British were the ones sent to the colonies as cheap labour if there wasnt enough of the locals to enslave or take advantage of.

 

Feel free to correct me on any of this....

You're naive to believe all the BS spouted by right-wing politicians and wildly optimistically believe it wont affect our wellbeing as a nation. I'm not naive to believe that for the human race to survive (and the planet) there has to be a will to co-operate and work together for the common good of all, not the common good of a minority of super-rich twats who dont care about anyone but themselves getting even richer and even more powerful.

 

Now you are sounding like 'ShiaLemuffQueef'.

 

The alternative is an end to the human race (and a potential end to the planet, but almost certainly vast numbers of species along with us). That might not bother you as long as there are flags to be waved and foreigners to be pilloried, but it strikes me as completely missing the important future of life as we know it. Variety is the spice of life, not something to be feared.

 

It's not me you should be telling that to, but ISIS...

 

I'm not sure any Buzzjack member has got a phone number for ISIS.

It's not me you should be telling that to, but ISIS...

What on earth does ISIS have to do with it?

What on earth does ISIS have to do with it?

 

Well PCF was talking about how great the variety of life is, and I was demonstrating that not *all* variety is great.

Now you are sounding like 'ShiaLemuffQueef'.

It's not me you should be telling that to, but ISIS...

 

1. Thanks. I guess that means you don't believe in getting along as a concept, or saving the planet, or that the rich don't rule the world. SO naive....

 

2. Why would I have anything to do with a terrorist organisation that believes the exact opposite of what I believe and who I morally oppose in every way every thing they do? You seem to think that believing in good things because there are bad people who don't care about fellow human beings is justification for everyone to hold the same view. It isn't. It's a shame you can't just say "it's a lovely ideal and you'd have to be a complete git not to hope for the best for humanity and the world, were it not for some idealistic evil people and it being unrealistic" instead of trying to point to someone else to blame who is extreme and evil as if that in some way proves it's a hopeless cause and we should all just abandon co-operation and just start hating foreigners because that will at least make sure we are allright Jack (when it won't)

1. Thanks. I guess that means you don't believe in getting along as a concept, or saving the planet, or that the rich don't rule the world. SO naive....

 

2. Why would I have anything to do with a terrorist organisation that believes the exact opposite of what I believe and who I morally oppose in every way every thing they do? You seem to think that believing in good things because there are bad people who don't care about fellow human beings is justification for everyone to hold the same view. It isn't. It's a shame you can't just say "it's a lovely ideal and you'd have to be a complete git not to hope for the best for humanity and the world, were it not for some idealistic evil people and it being unrealistic" instead of trying to point to someone else to blame who is extreme and evil as if that in some way proves it's a hopeless cause and we should all just abandon co-operation and just start hating foreigners because that will at least make sure we are allright Jack (when it won't)

Exactly. ISIS have show that they cannot tolerate anything that goes against their ideology. That is generally known as fascism, the very opposite of liberalism.

1. Thanks. I guess that means you don't believe in getting along as a concept, or saving the planet, or that the rich don't rule the world. SO naive....

 

2. Why would I have anything to do with a terrorist organisation that believes the exact opposite of what I believe and who I morally oppose in every way every thing they do? You seem to think that believing in good things because there are bad people who don't care about fellow human beings is justification for everyone to hold the same view. It isn't. It's a shame you can't just say "it's a lovely ideal and you'd have to be a complete git not to hope for the best for humanity and the world, were it not for some idealistic evil people and it being unrealistic" instead of trying to point to someone else to blame who is extreme and evil as if that in some way proves it's a hopeless cause and we should all just abandon co-operation and just start hating foreigners because that will at least make sure we are allright Jack (when it won't)

 

1. I was referring *only* to your socialist rant against 'fat-cats' - all the rest you've claimed about me is fabricated.

 

2. Again, you are reading something that isn't there.

 

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke

 

In other words, we have to be proactive against evil, rather than assuming that merely being good will be enough.

 

 

Exactly. ISIS have show that they cannot tolerate anything that goes against their ideology. That is generally known as fascism, the very opposite of liberalism.

 

By that logic, that would make social media rants against anything non-PC, fascist... :rolleyes:

The word you’re looking for sweetie is racist x

The word you’re looking for sweetie is racist x

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be saying : resisting political correctness = racist?

 

As I see it, resisting PC no more makes you a racist, than refusing to allow CCTV in your home makes you a criminal.

 

The last thing any society that *claims* to be free needs is PC 'Thought Police' monitoring every word you utter, and every letter you type. :puke:

Edited February 2, 20187 yr by vidcapper

1. I was referring *only* to your socialist rant against 'fat-cats' - all the rest you've claimed about me is fabricated.

 

2. Again, you are reading something that isn't there.

 

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke

 

In other words, we have to be proactive against evil, rather than assuming that merely being good will be enough.

By that logic, that would make social media rants against anything non-PC, fascist... :rolleyes:

 

1. I'm not a socialist. Fat Cats are real. To deny otherwise shows you are blind to reality. Try being more specific in you replies if you wish to avoid being misconstrued. Vague 6-word sly supposed-insult responses one has to assume relates to everything you are replying to unless you are clearly stating otherwise. The blame is entirely yours.

 

2. see above

 

Totally agree with that quote.

 

3. There is a world of difference between someone arguing that spouting racist and hate-filled illegal drivel is fundamental right as an excuse for hating "political correctness" as a general way of life. Making measured points about the renaming of manholes as personholes is a perfectly valid comment about "PC Gone Mad" (if it's true and not just UK rag anti-EU bullshit) making the leap into racism isn't. You need to be specific, as always. Stop making vague responses people will stop reading stuff into what you believe based on blase responses to perfectly valid points that you amy or may not agree with - it's impossible to tell one way or the other, as you love being vague and controversial when faced with reason and fact.