Because you never back up your rhetoric with anything that has a basis in fact

Because you never back up your rhetoric with anything that has a basis in fact

 

Since when have facts ever had any bearing on politics... :w00t:

Since when have facts ever had any bearing on politics... :w00t:

This, in a nutshell, is why you derailing every thread in this forum is getting rather tiring.

This, in a nutshell, is why you derailing every thread in this forum is getting rather tiring.

 

No more tiring to me, than you dismissing almost everything I post as 'Daily Mail propaganda'

No more tiring to me, than you dismissing almost everything I post as 'Daily Mail propaganda'

It's a news and politics discussion forum. Willfully disengaging with every rational argument and choosing not to respond half the time you're asked a pertinent question tends to render every 'discussion' you get into a predictable argument. Consider switching it up a little.

No more tiring to me, than you dismissing almost everything I post as 'Daily Mail propaganda'

 

well, we have suggested you widen your reading material but you seem disinclined to change the habits of a lunchtime...

It's a news and politics discussion forum.

 

Whose mandate is 'Thought provoking and controversial issues.'

 

Surely you can't argue I do that... ;)

 

Willfully disengaging with every rational argument and choosing not to respond half the time you're asked a pertinent question tends to render every 'discussion' you get into a predictable argument.

I only 'wilfully disengage' when the discussion starts going round in the same old circles.

 

It generally goes something like :

 

I post an opinion

 

I'm asked to justify it (which I am not obliged to do, but do anyway).

 

It gets dismissed as Tory/Mail propaganda

 

If instead I choose *not* to reply, then I get accused of 'dodging the issue' - so its a case of 'heads you win, tails I lose' :no:

 

well, we have suggested you widen your reading material but you seem disinclined to change the habits of a lunchtime...

 

As I've mentioned before, I've only been reading the Mail for 5-6 years - before that, it was the Daily Mirror.

 

In case you haven't noticed, I've posted a number of Guardian URL's in the recent past. However, quite apart from the content, I find the layout of the Mail online a lot easier to navigate than the Guardian.

 

Whose mandate is 'Thought provoking and controversial issues.'

 

Surely you can't argue I do that... ;)

 

I only 'wilfully disengage' when the discussion starts going round in the same old circles.

 

It generally goes something like :

 

I post an opinion

 

I'm asked to justify it (which I am not obliged to do, but do anyway).

 

It gets dismissed as Tory/Mail propaganda

 

If instead I choose *not* to reply, then I get accused of 'dodging the issue' - so its a case of 'heads you win, tails I lose' :no:

As I've mentioned before, I've only been reading the Mail for 5-6 years - before that, it was the Daily Mirror.

 

In case you haven't noticed, I've posted a number of Guardian URL's in the recent past. However, quite apart from the content, I find the layout of the Mail online a lot easier to navigate than the Guardian.

 

Well, I suppose the Guardian website doesn't have many pictures of scantily clad women. Or men for that matter.

Well, I suppose the Guardian website doesn't have many pictures of scantily clad women. Or men for that matter.

 

If only that was the only reason people here didn't like it... :kink:

Edited December 4, 20177 yr by vidsanta

If only that was the only reason people here didn't like it... :kink:

 

I think some of us would be happy with scantily clad men photos (as long as they got paid and were happy about it) but it's the hypocrisy of pretending to be family-values while being anything but. Or butt.

I did enjoy the DUP causing all kinds of chaos in both Ireland and in Brussels today despite not having a functioning parliament in the province! Classic.

 

It's getting cold though so maybe Arlene Foster has got the heating on FULL BLAST in Stormont and she's getting restless.

Edited December 4, 20177 yr by Doctor Blind

Or, "Thanks for the billion quid, now we own you"?

 

Who would have thought that the Irish border wouldnt have been as piss-easy to sort as everyone in the Leave campaign claimed?

 

 

Errr, everyone.

 

Nothing another couple of billion wouldn't sort, I'm sure. "We've already established what you are, now we're just haggling over the price...."

Or, "Thanks for the billion quid, now we own you"?

 

Who would have thought that the Irish border wouldnt have been as piss-easy to sort as everyone in the Leave campaign claimed?

Errr, everyone.

 

Nothing another couple of billion wouldn't sort, I'm sure. "We've already established what you are, now we're just haggling over the price...."

 

Does that EVERYONE include all the people who can't draw the border? :lol:

 

I'd say even some of the remain people didn't actually have a full grasp of the Good Friday Agreement and it's terms, or the fact that the border would now be an external EU border with all that that entails.

Or, "Thanks for the billion quid, now we own you"?

 

Who would have thought that the Irish border wouldnt have been as piss-easy to sort as everyone in the Leave campaign claimed?

Errr, everyone.

 

There seems to be an assumption here that everyone who voted Leave should have foreseen every possible complication before voting.

 

In my case, I didn't expect it would be easy, but my position is : 'politicians & bureaucrats are paid exorbitant salaries, so it's about time they earned them!'

There seems to be an assumption here that everyone who voted Leave should have foreseen every possible complication before voting.

 

In my case, I didn't expect it would be easy, but my position is : 'politicians & bureaucrats are paid exorbitant salaries, so it's about time they earned them!'

No, but they should have listened carefully to those who spoke facts rather than those liars who glossed over it in half a deliberately optimistic sentence.

 

The EU's and Ireland's politicians & bureaucrats are paid just as handsomely to look after their best interests. Your point? That the UK's dumb-ass overpaid and inexperienced ones should somehow know how to make fantasy real because they get a lot of money? They can't cos they're dense, their salary doesn't change that basic problem.

 

If only chucking taxpayers money at something could solve all problems. As T. May is finding out right now, it can't....

No, but they should have listened carefully to those who spoke facts rather than those liars who glossed over it in half a deliberately optimistic sentence.

 

But all politicians lie, so people tend to default to those who are espousing the position they support anyway - that's how confirmation bias works.

 

In any case, I suspect most Leavers couldn't care less about the process, only the end result.

But all politicians lie, so people tend to default to those who are espousing the position they support anyway - that's how confirmation bias works.

 

In any case, I suspect most Leavers couldn't care less about the process, only the end result.

No they don't all lie. We have one former politician on buzzjack so you have just called him a liar.

 

All brexiteers lie perhaps.

No they don't all lie. We have one former politician on buzzjack so you have just called him a liar.

 

All brexiteers lie perhaps.

 

Anyone who says they don't lie, is lying when they say that. :P

That depends on how you define "lie". Take an example from my time as a councillor. Before I went to party conference one year, I wrote a piece for a Focus leaflet which included the words "Speaking at the party conference Councillor X said ...". I then said the words quoted over coffee one morning. Was the statement in the leaflet a lie or just slightly misleading?

Back to the utter shambles that is Brexit, and Corbyn tweeting blaming May and the DUP for the mess.

 

Time for an LibDem leader to own Corbyn and his outright rewriting of recent events and blame shifting:

 

Tim Farron: "Now, Jeremy, remember when you voted with the Tories for hard Brexit with no conditions over Ireland, workers protections, single market or anything? Yep, that's why we're in this mess."

 

That is what is known as an "owning yo momma, bitch" moment in some circles.