March 8, 20196 yr The Telegraph? Various Old Etonians? Half the Cabinet? At least! However, my point remains the same - even if 99.99% of the establishment support Remain, if voters choose Leave then IMO that is what they must strive to achieve! Edited March 8, 20196 yr by vidcapper
March 8, 20196 yr Author IT didn't have to be - virtually the whole establishment was behind it. BY which you mean the populist press, the bailing self-serving politicians and half the people who voted? Think you'll find that campaign was the illegally-funded campaign who lied throughout. The other campaign told the truth and stuck to the rules. If the Lying campaign had told the truth they would have been slaughtered, and that's why you keep excusing all they did, and whinging about the people who told the truth and continue to tell the truth vainly looking for something to slag them off about - just because you don't agree with that point of view.
March 10, 20196 yr It might, except they weren't spending public money on it - unlike the taxpayer-aided Remain campaign. I assume you're not going to argue that that the gov'ts EU referendum leaflet had *no* effect, merely because it was issued before the official campaign start date? I don't recall you protesting against the UK Government leaflet that was dead dropped to every household in Scotland in 2014.
March 10, 20196 yr I don't recall you protesting against the UK Government leaflet that was dead dropped to every household in Scotland in 2014. You've often accused me of not reading what I write - in this case, that seems to be exactly what you've done! :rolleyes:
March 11, 20196 yr 'GPS systems will be struck by Y2K-like bug on April 6': Security expert says he will NOT fly on 'day zero' after governments warn global devices will RESET due to calendar glitch The error could cause disruption to plane's navigation systems and electric grids Time counters are predicted to roll back to zero in older GPS devices says expert Experts raised the alert this week at RSA 2019 San Francisco security meeting Bill Malik, vice president of Trend Micro, says he will not fly on April 6 Navigation systems on ships and older aircraft may be affected https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-67...OT-fly-day.html ***************************** I dare say some will try to blame it on Br***t. :teresa:
March 11, 20196 yr Author 'GPS systems will be struck by Y2K-like bug on April 6': Security expert says he will NOT fly on 'day zero' after governments warn global devices will RESET due to calendar glitch The error could cause disruption to plane's navigation systems and electric grids Time counters are predicted to roll back to zero in older GPS devices says expert Experts raised the alert this week at RSA 2019 San Francisco security meeting Bill Malik, vice president of Trend Micro, says he will not fly on April 6 Navigation systems on ships and older aircraft may be affected https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-67...OT-fly-day.html ***************************** I dare say some will try to blame it on Br***t. :teresa: Not me. I'm more likely to blame it on countries trying to destabilise Western society, such as Russia, or fake news pushers trying to distract from the corruption of events or negative results of anything happening in early April. Brexit-pushers won't have any reason to make things worse deliberately, as they'll just look even-more like liars :P
March 11, 20196 yr Not me. I'm more likely to blame it on countries trying to destabilise Western society, such as Russia That might world in some third world craphole, but hardly in strong western democracies!
March 11, 20196 yr Author That might world in some third world craphole, but hardly in strong western democracies! Errr President Trump. Brexit. Corruption. https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/russian-election-hacking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_inter...exit_referendum
March 12, 20196 yr Errr President Trump. Brexit. Corruption. https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/russian-election-hacking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_inter...exit_referendum Do you seriously believe that Brexit & Trump's election would have been impossible without 'interference'? :o
March 12, 20196 yr Author Do you seriously believe that Brexit & Trump's election would have been impossible without 'interference'? :o They were both so close that anything could have swayed the result: INCLUDING foreign money and corruption. To ignore that is to ignore corruption forever more and allow anyone to do and say anything, regardless if they Putin, wannabe Hitler's, rich media moguls intent on destroying democracy or anything you can invent or hypothetically see happening. If corruption in democratic elections is not, never will be, a thing, in terms of affecting results then logically there is no argument for having it because it "has no effect" on the result. Except that it does, because they do it, proving that it does effect outcomes. Always has, always will.
March 17, 20196 yr Very impressed with Jacinda Ardern this week. I haven't seen a leader act with so much compassion and humanity in a long time.
March 17, 20196 yr I've been impressed whenever her name has come up and especially so in this horrific time for her country. New Zealand's politics look pretty appealing at this point in time, and I'm aware that's only an outsiders view but she is the sort of person I would wish were much more common among our world leaders.
March 19, 20196 yr Adulthood begins at 30 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...n-twenties.html People are highly susceptible to mental health problems in their twenties This can resolve around the age of 30 when the brain reaches full maturity There is no strict neurological definition of when a child becomes an adult ***************************************** This could explain a lot... :teresa:
March 19, 20196 yr I miss when this topic was built around obscure international news that wasn’t big enough for a topic. As opposed to insinuating ageist crap. The principle is logical but using it to make generalizations based on age and implying delegitimising their opinions is rude.
March 19, 20196 yr I miss when this topic was built around obscure international news that wasn’t big enough for a topic. As opposed to insinuating ageist crap. The principle is logical but using it to make generalizations based on age and implying delegitimising their opinions is rude. Congratulations - that the first time I've ever heard ageism used in this erroneous context - i.e. against the young. :rolleyes: I guess you missed my smiley *again* though.
March 19, 20196 yr Ageism can affect all ages just as racism can affect all races. And I don’t miss your tone, I just don’t find it particularly funny to be patronizing people over an attribute they have no control over.
March 20, 20196 yr Ageism can affect all ages just as racism can affect all races. And I don’t miss your tone, I just don’t find it particularly funny to be patronizing people over an attribute they have no control over. But other kinds of patronising are OK, such as insinuating most Leavers are uneducated xenophobes? BTW, maybe we weren't so wrong to raise concerns over immigration levels... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/201...ironment-agency
March 20, 20196 yr Author But other kinds of patronising are OK, such as insinuating most Leavers are uneducated xenophobes? BTW, maybe we weren't so wrong to raise concerns over immigration levels... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/201...ironment-agency "I think we should stop immigrants because of water shortages" :lol: One of the wettest nations on the planet. Build some more reservoirs. BTW Brexit won;t make the slightest difference to immigration numbers - we've already seen non-EU numbers rise to compensate for leaving EU citizens, and we have FULL employment, meaning they are needed to work here to keep us in the lifestyle we have been accustomed to (ie tax creation, service sectors, NHS).
March 21, 20196 yr "I think we should stop immigrants because of water shortages" :lol: One of the wettest nations on the planet. Build some more reservoirs. BTW Brexit won;t make the slightest difference to immigration numbers - we've already seen non-EU numbers rise to compensate for leaving EU citizens, and we have FULL employment, meaning they are needed to work here to keep us in the lifestyle we have been accustomed to (ie tax creation, service sectors, NHS). I agree the whole 'water shortage' situation is farcical. Are you saying that Brexit wouldn't change our Full Employment situation?
March 21, 20196 yr Author I agree the whole 'water shortage' situation is farcical. Are you saying that Brexit wouldn't change our Full Employment situation? I'm saying the reason we have immigration is because there aren't enough Brits to do the jobs that generate money that pay the taxes that support the nation and that despitre having the power to totally stop non-EU immigration for a decade May just sent round vans moaning and extradited actual British Empire citizens and stopped much-needed doctors coming over - because they are needed. The EU immigration thing is just political blame-shifting, they have and always have had the power to stop and limit immigration but don't because it's needed. Now when the job start going as a result of Brexit, THEN we'll see even more full employment, in the minus figures. It was several million on the dole back in the 80's in case you've forgotten, including me, my brother, my dad, and my grandad. People have totally forgotten what that does to society, or have no idea what it does.
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