May 21, 20187 yr Too cynical for even me... Non-lying politicians exist, gasp! :o I would describe it more sardonic than purely cynical.
May 21, 20187 yr I wonder if the Tories WILL force a snap election they know they'll lose to shift the BRexit blame onto left-wing policies and play the long-game, shifting the Overton Window even further right later... Their press pals will be all too happy to help
May 21, 20187 yr I very much doubt the Conservatves are playing the long game. Many of them would be not alive if Labour were to win a five year term.
May 21, 20187 yr If Tory MPs think there is a significant chance of an autumn election I can see them dumping the Maybot in the next month or so.
May 21, 20187 yr If Tory MPs think there is a significant chance of an autumn election I can see them dumping the Maybot in the next month or so. Because they don't want an election, or because they don't think she can win it?
May 21, 20187 yr Because they don't want an election, or because they don't think she can win it? After last year I can't see them being too enthusiastic about another election with her as leader.
May 22, 20187 yr One of today’s papers reports that Boris Johnson has said that there will be no autumn election. Looks like we’d better prepare for one then.
July 17, 20187 yr Reports that Tory rebels are being threatened with a general election if they defeat the government of a new clause 18 Call their bluff please! :D
July 17, 20187 yr Author We seem to be continually one vote away from bringing down this farce of a government. It keeps teasing us with the promise of happening :(
July 17, 20187 yr If Brexit had never happened, we would have a Labour government right now, and if not, this government would have collapsed. Absolute joke set of pretentious Eton goons.
July 17, 20187 yr We seem to be continually one vote away from bringing down this farce of a government. It keeps teasing us with the promise of happening :( I think it's called "edging": you think you're nearly there and are about to get satisfaction when suddenly you get an image of Theresa May and the mood just evaporates.....
July 18, 20187 yr If Brexit had never happened, we would have a Labour government right now, and if not, this government would have collapsed. Absolute joke set of pretentious Eton goons. I'm not sure how you figure that - without a Brexit vote, there wouldn't have been a 2017 GE, and the Tories would still have a HoC majority, however small.
July 18, 20187 yr Author I think it's called "edging": you think you're nearly there and are about to get satisfaction when suddenly you get an image of Theresa May and the mood just evaporates.....!!! I'm not sure how you figure that - without a Brexit vote, there wouldn't have been a 2017 GE, and the Tories would still have a HoC majority, however small. I’m not so sure. In a world where the referendum commitment was awol from the Tory manifesto in 2015 we’d probably have a Milliband-Sturgeon government and be in a much better place economically with a recovering NHS
July 19, 20187 yr !!! I’m not so sure. In a world where the referendum commitment was awol from the Tory manifesto in 2015 we’d probably have a Milliband-Sturgeon government and be in a much better place economically with a recovering NHS I can't see the lack of a referendum commitment affecting a GE result *that* much.
July 19, 20187 yr Would it surprise you if the Tories called a GE next Spring, just after Brexit day? 1. Because if they won, it would all settle down over the next 5 years, or, 2. If Labour won, and Brexit went pear-shaped, then Labour would take that fall for it?
July 19, 20187 yr I can't see the lack of a referendum commitment affecting a GE result *that* much. the collapse of UKIP following the vote would suggest otherwise....
July 19, 20187 yr the collapse of UKIP following the vote would suggest otherwise.... But surely the UKIP vote would have *risen*, not collapsed?
July 19, 20187 yr But surely the UKIP vote would have *risen*, not collapsed? My point being that when the issue seemed to be settled they all fled to the Tories (and a few to Labour) so not having a referendum would mean the Tories would have lost votes to UKIP who would still exist, allowing a Labour controlled government in.
July 19, 20187 yr My point being that when the issue seemed to be settled they all fled to the Tories (and a few to Labour) so not having a referendum would mean the Tories would have lost votes to UKIP who would still exist, allowing a Labour controlled government in. ISTM there are too many variables to be confident of any such conclusion. for example... How many Tories would really have deserted them for UKIP, given the knowledge that that might well let Labour in?
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