There is a chilling disregard for our democratic norms through this process and the media says nothing. They are complicit in this far right coup

There is a chilling disregard for our democratic norms through this process and the media says nothing. They are complicit in this far right coup

 

The really chilling thing is this attack on democracy is spreading throughout the Western world as the extremists position themselves with foreign assistance. The media is run by people who support them. It's no coincidence, because people are gullible and have limited interest in matters that appear not to affect their day to day life (even though they do) so people shrug shoulders and say "what can I do?" and let it happen, or just fall for the propaganda and join in the hordes of hate.

There is a chilling disregard for our democratic norms through this process and the media says nothing. They are complicit in this far right coup

 

That is *one* way of looking at it.

 

You won't be in the least bit surprised to hear I disagree...

The really chilling thing is this attack on democracy is spreading throughout the Western world as the extremists position themselves with foreign assistance. The media is run by people who support them. It's no coincidence, because people are gullible and have limited interest in matters that appear not to affect their day to day life (even though they do) so people shrug shoulders and say "what can I do?" and let it happen, or just fall for the propaganda and join in the hordes of hate.

And it’s not as if this is a new pattern of behaviour. Just that the people who were alive then aren’t now and people aren’t willing to educate themselves (because our schooling system won’t) on the circumstances that lead to the rise of facism and WW2 beyond “hitler invaded Poland”

 

That is *one* way of looking at it.

 

You won't be in the least bit surprised to hear I disagree...

Vidcapper supporting the rise of facism in the western world? Now I am so shocked. So so shocked. Next you’ll be telling me that the pope of all people is catholic

Vidcapper supporting the rise of facism in the western world? Now I am so shocked. So so shocked. Next you’ll be telling me that the pope of all people is catholic

 

Very droll - but you very much mistaken if you think that's what I meant.

 

I am VERY VERY MUCH anti-fascist!

 

What I *meant* is that I regard the swing to the right as event driven - partly due to a reaction against the imposition of certain leftist ideas that run counter to common sense.

Then you are wrong.

 

The billionaire plutocrats have used the world recession as a way to influence the world and push it right. Seeing the newspapers and media going along with it and not challenging their right wing politicians, they have been able to push us further and further right unchallenged. This is not a spontaneous move to alt right populism but a campaign funded by the same billionaires in both the US and UK.

Then you are wrong.

 

The billionaire plutocrats have used the world recession as a way to influence the world and push it right. Seeing the newspapers and media going along with it and not challenging their right wing politicians, they have been able to push us further and further right unchallenged. This is not a spontaneous move to alt right populism but a campaign funded by the same billionaires in both the US and UK.

 

So, are you saying you dislike being manouvered in a political direction you don't want to go?

Very droll - but you very much mistaken if you think that's what I meant.

 

I am VERY VERY MUCH anti-fascist!

 

What I *meant* is that I regard the swing to the right as event driven - partly due to a reaction against the imposition of certain leftist ideas that run counter to common sense.

Why haven't you addressed the contempt for parliament shown by our utterly contemptible PM?

Why haven't you addressed the contempt for parliament shown by our utterly contemptible PM?

 

It's May's job to get the legislation through that we voted for - she is doing that.

By ignoring parliament and having the attack dog press attack institutions in a fascist manner with, enemies of the people and/ or traitors?

 

Who triggered Article 50?

 

Mad May.

 

Not Parliament.

 

That is vile and grotesque.

It's May's job to get the legislation through that we voted for - she is doing that.

She is supposed to be accountable to parliament. The fact that she is PM does not give her carte blanche to do whatever she wants.

 

Besides, it is her job to act in the interests of the country, regardless of the outcome of a large-scale opinion poll.

Brexiteer Democracy - Wonderful when enforcing our minority views on the majority. Otherwise just something we can ignore to ram through our wishes.

 

 

What a time to be alive.

 

Very droll - but you very much mistaken if you think that's what I meant.

 

I am VERY VERY MUCH anti-fascist!

 

What I *meant* is that I regard the swing to the right as event driven - partly due to a reaction against the imposition of certain leftist ideas that run counter to common sense.

Tell that to your posts and general views then pal. Supporting the fascists, their toxic aims and viewpoints, and their propaganda outlets kinda fails the basic requirements of antifa - mainly because you actually need to be anti-fascist.

 

Swing to the right isn't a swing. It's been there for decades. This isn't a new thing. They're just feeling more and more emboldened to act out in our current climate, which makes racists emboldened and that emboldens these rags even further. It's a damaging cycle. We should all be worried. Very worried.

She is supposed to be accountable to parliament. The fact that she is PM does not give her carte blanche to do whatever she wants.

 

Besides, it is her job to act in the interests of the country, regardless of the outcome of a large-scale opinion poll.

 

At the end of the day though, politicians are deemed to be the servants, not the masters in any democratic relationship. Any government the defies their electorate long-term eventually gets their comeuppance.

 

Although it is purely academic, none of this would be necessary if the gov't had a decent majority, as the HoL would be less willing to flex its muscles.

An article to peruse...

 

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/two-years-on-ma...-changed-minds/

Brexiteer Democracy - Wonderful when enforcing our minority views on the majority. Otherwise just something we can ignore to ram through our wishes.

What a time to be alive.

Tell that to your posts and general views then pal. Supporting the fascists, their toxic aims and viewpoints, and their propaganda outlets kinda fails the basic requirements of antifa - mainly because you actually need to be anti-fascist.

 

Swing to the right isn't a swing. It's been there for decades. This isn't a new thing. They're just feeling more and more emboldened to act out in our current climate, which makes racists emboldened and that emboldens these rags even further. It's a damaging cycle. We should all be worried. Very worried.

 

Exactly.

 

We have been caught in a vicious right wing cycle :( The coup is well underway.

 

Exactly.

 

We have been caught in a vicious right wing cycle :( The coup is well underway.

 

Why on earth would a hard-right gov't allow legislation protecting minorities onto the statute books?

 

At the end of the day though, politicians are deemed to be the servants, not the masters in any democratic relationship. Any government the defies their electorate long-term eventually gets their comeuppance.

 

Although it is purely academic, none of this would be necessary if the gov't had a decent majority, as the HoL would be less willing to flex its muscles.

MPs are not delegates. They are obliged to act in the interests of the country. Given that most MPs voted Remain, they are acting against their own code of conduct.

At the end of the day though, politicians are deemed to be the servants, not the masters in any democratic relationship. Any government the defies their electorate long-term eventually gets their comeuppance.

 

Although it is purely academic, none of this would be necessary if the gov't had a decent majority, as the HoL would be less willing to flex its muscles.

 

There was nothing on the referendum sheet that I noticed which said a single thing about giving up Parliamentary accountability as a "Thing" nor were there details on what Brexit meant, nor were the people happily telling us lies at any stage telling us that Brexit meant a Hard Brexit and a huge blow to the economy - as they do now.

 

The House Of Lords has no power over the Commons - or do you know anything about British Democracy? You ceratinly dont seem bothered about it all, having whinged for 2 years to get it "returned" becaue you dont "trust" the EU to be accountable. Guess what? The Tory party isn't accountable. Yet you arent remotely bothered. Shock horror!

Very droll - but you very much mistaken if you think that's what I meant.

 

I am VERY VERY MUCH anti-fascist!

 

What I *meant* is that I regard the swing to the right as event driven - partly due to a reaction against the imposition of certain leftist ideas that run counter to common sense.

 

Give examples. I can't think of any major lefty drivel policies that are so inhuman and appalling that it makes people turn to racism and lies to justify getting rid of them, but I look forward to examples and being educated.

Labour voters poll - 72% think Brexit is a bad idea. Corbyn remains aloof from his voter base and core supporters.

 

Core supporters remain following the Holy Gourd...