2. Then I'm glad to hear you support MP's having a final vote on the deal, good or bad, on Brexit. I assumed based on what you say that you were in favour of doing away with Parliamentary accountability and letting Theresa May & the mad Rich Trio Of Twats have their own way with the future of the UK...

 

3. Good. Then we can discount all talk of far-right criminal rioting in the streets as if in some way that justifies anything, which it doesn't. However, the Irish border is a point of law that the British government agreed to and if it wants to be known as a trader that keeps it word and repays debts as we hop on alone onto the World Stage then it had better realise it is deluded at the moment and in denial.

 

4. A lot of people think the Moon Landings were faked. That doesn't mean it is true. If the expert government staff of a government handling Brexit headed by Hard Brexiteers who want a Hard Brexit tell them facts they don't want to publish to keep the truth from the People who voted for a successful economy as promised then I would suggest it is likely to be true because they really really didn't want it published and they can't call it propaganda because they commissioned it.

 

I'd prefer voters to have the final say, since we did initiate the process.

 

Riots are not the same as terrorism though - the latter tends to have a degree of organization.

 

You seem to be suggesting that Brexit & the Irish border issue are incompatible?

 

'Faked moon landings'? Now who's using bad analogies! :rolleyes:

 

The elite brainwashing the less educated through years of newspaper propaganda to make BILLIONS, with the Tory pollsters in on it as well. Like I said the Tory pollsters are obviously corrupt and trying to create a bandwagon effect. We saw it in America and we saw it last election ... unless you all believed the Tories would have a 350 seat majority and win the NORTH :lol: 40/ 40 my arse. Expect Labour on 50% and up in rrality, hence why they are steering WELL clear of elections and getting every media outlet from the bbc to the mail to throw dirt ... especially before the locals.

 

You might not believe opinion polls, but you can't ignore actual votes - and the recent local elections gave no indication that the level of Labour support is as high as you claim.

 

Actually ... despite the BBC Tory Laura claims ... it did.

Actually ... despite the BBC Tory Laura claims ... it did.

 

No it didn't!

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-43998600

 

Analysis suggests the two main parties were neck and neck overall in terms of national vote share - on 35% each.

Again you quote the BBTory at me when it was CLEARLY biased? I would like to thank the BBC for sorting out any anti-semitism in the Labour party, and also the Tory party, including its Islapomphobia it never once commented on despite calls from the Islamic Council of Britain for an investigation, the day AFTER the locals, as it was never mentioned again since then. Oh well done, BBC! Their whole slant was biased. Look at the numbers. Look at the seats gained. All within a ridiculously hostile media environment.

 

 

Again you quote the BBTory at me when it was CLEARLY biased? I would like to thank the BBC for sorting out any anti-semitism in the Labour party, and also the Tory party, including its Islapomphobia it never once commented on despite calls from the Islamic Council of Britain for an investigation, the day AFTER the locals, as it was never mentioned again since then. Oh well done, BBC! Their whole slant was biased. Look at the numbers. Look at the seats gained. All within a ridiculously hostile media environment.

 

Whatever you think of their bias - their figures are based on *actual* results, and therefore cannot be fudged!

You seem to be suggesting that Brexit & the Irish border issue are incompatible?

Surely even you, a Brexit extremist, can see that the issues are incompatible. To get the “true Brexit” that the far right fascists want we are basically saying “f*** NI, my bizarre and irrational hatred of the EU is more important than the GFA”

 

There is either a border on Ireland, a border on the Irish Sea that sets in motion the dissolution of the United Kingdom, or we have the softest of brexits where there won’t have been any point in leaving at all as we’d now have zero input into the rules we live by. In the last scenario, the far right controlling the government will collapse the government and be very irrationally angry about it all, derailling any deal with the EU that is for a soft Brexit.

Surely even you, a Brexit extremist, can see that the issues are incompatible.

 

I think 'extremist' is little strong. I would be satisfied if it had remained the trading bloc we signed up for.

 

I don't think the issue is irresolvable though. [and before you ask, it's not my job to suggest a solution - I'm not a politician, thank goodness!]

I'd prefer voters to have the final say, since we did initiate the process.

 

Riots are not the same as terrorism though - the latter tends to have a degree of organization.

 

You seem to be suggesting that Brexit & the Irish border issue are incompatible?

 

'Faked moon landings'? Now who's using bad analogies! :rolleyes:

You might not believe opinion polls, but you can't ignore actual votes - and the recent local elections gave no indication that the level of Labour support is as high as you claim.

 

1. Surprising actually...

 

2. Both acts are criminal and criminals should be prosecuted to the full act of law. visiting Polish extremists were the feature on newsnight last night, busy shit-stirring racism in local communities, a good way of making the most-recent victims of racism (The Polish and others) divert attention to non-whites as if two wrongs make a right. Brexit is utterly irrelevant in terms of people drifting to the far right, it's happening everywhere through propaganda appealing to humanity's most base instincts and needs to be addressed and democracy and fairness fight back because we can see what happens once fascists get in power throughout history and in modern examples.

 

3. I'm suggesting I'm still waiting to hear the experts give a hint of how they are going to deal with it because the Back-stop agreement that May has signed up to will piss off the DUP and bring the government down. Just a minor thing. Your ideas welcome on solutions though, or you can go with "Not my job they said it wouldnt be a problem" as usual and imitate an Ostrich(*). Guess what - they lied about that too!

 

4. Pretty fair analogy. People literally believe the world is flat. They choose to ignore facts. You choosing not to believe anything any government says or issues means that you are claiming that nothing politicians can be believed, in which case why bother voting for any of them, or else this particular piece of evidence is a lie, for which you have no proof to claim that, it just suits your world view to believe it. I gave a good reason why it should be treated seriously.

 

Silly me I should have read your later responses first - of COURSE you said that! If you can't come up with a solution then you should get mad at the liars who said there was a solution - cos none of them seem to have the vaguest idea so far. You should also criticise the liar who iterally said "f*** Business" having lied that Brexit would be a huge success for business and that Northern Ireland could also f*** itself, in so mnay words. He's out the country at the moment not lying down on the Heathrow runway like he promised he would because he wants to Prime Minister at any cost, even his own country's.

'35 per cent of companies plan to reduce UK investment post-Brexit.

 

A further 41 per cent plan to move a large amount of capacity out of the UK and 42 per cent plan to shift capacity to the euro zone.'

 

Oops

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/busi...ery-soon/26/06/

'35 per cent of companies plan to reduce UK investment post-Brexit.

 

A further 41 per cent plan to move a large amount of capacity out of the UK and 42 per cent plan to shift capacity to the euro zone.'

 

Oops

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/busi...ery-soon/26/06/

 

 

Yes, spotted that too, so I shall retweet the fab and not at all dumb-arsed scientist Dr Bri Cox:

 

 

"@ProfBrianCox

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Brian Cox Retweeted Peter Thal Larsen

I know that brexit’s about more than money and I should stick to physics and I’m a member of the elite from Oldham etc. etc. But these statistics from the UBS survey are quite shocking to me. They signal an absolute disaster if government doesn’t get a grip very soon."

 

 

'35 per cent of companies plan to reduce UK investment post-Brexit.

 

A further 41 per cent plan to move a large amount of capacity out of the UK and 42 per cent plan to shift capacity to the euro zone.'

 

Oops

 

Quite so - if they can't even get their % to add up to 100, how can we trust any of their figures...

Quite so - if they can't even get their % to add up to 100, how can we trust any of their figures...

 

Duuuuuhhhh by falling into more than one category each of them out of 100%.

 

Let's have a look at how our good friends and future huge trading partners (assuming all the trade barriers imposed that apply to the rest of the world somehow dont apply to a solo UK) the Americans feel:

 

https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1011636382786314240

Duuuuuhhhh by falling into more than one category each of them out of 100%.

 

As I read it, the use of 'and further' and 'and' indicated they should be added together.

As I read it, the use of 'and further' and 'and' indicated they should be added together.

The wording at the start of the article is sloppy English. If the word "Further" was at the start of the sentence it would make more sense. The article goes on to make it clear that they are reporting answers to a series of different questions.

Apparently Mayhem is hosting a party at Downing Street to "celebrate" the EU Withdrawal Bill becoming law. Somehow I doubt she and Mr May will be dipping their hands in their pockets to pay for it.

Apparently Mayhem is hosting a party at Downing Street to "celebrate" the EU Withdrawal Bill becoming law. Somehow I doubt she and Mr May will be dipping their hands in their pockets to pay for it.

But just imagine how excited mr may will be at all those bins he gets to take out....

But just imagine how excited mr may will be at all those bins he gets to take out....

I'm sure he's champing at the bit even as we speak :lol:

...and so May is now threatening MP's to back her vision of Brexit or else she will leave with no deal. So much for Parliamentary democracy. Note she is also ignoring the confirmed reports of corruption in the referendum campaign, as is Corbyn, because they got the result they wanted (despite both mildly pretending to pay lip service to the Remain campaign in as low-key way as they could get away).

 

So, no investigations, no Parliamentary accountability, no public vote on the final agreement (assuming there actually is one) and no denials that all claims made by Leavers were lies, but wanting to damage the economy and lives anyway.

 

What a terrible person, what a danger to a centuries-old democracy. Call her bluff I say, bring her down. Any resulting chaos can't be worse than a no-deal Brexit, at least a Corbyn Brexit might be slightly-less bad (bearing in mind he called for it the day after the referendum I'm only assuming that Labour supporters might not be such a pushover in power as May is for for the Moggers)

What a terrible person, what a danger to a centuries-old democracy. Call her bluff I say, bring her down. Any resulting chaos can't be worse than a no-deal Brexit, at least a Corbyn Brexit might be slightly-less bad (bearing in mind he called for it the day after the referendum I'm only assuming that Labour supporters might not be such a pushover in power as May is for for the Moggers)

 

You're also assuming that Labour would win any resultant by-election?

You're also assuming that Labour would win any resultant by-election?

 

election. Assuming that Tories are free to take the risk of another election if they demand a Hard Brexit with no deals. If that is the only option on the table then there is absolutely nothing to lose by following any other course of action, including another general election. I'm assuming everyone will be totally-pissed-off that the split Tories inflicted their misery on the nation and well over 2 years later still haven't got a clue themselves about Brexit, never mind the nation or the EU....