The cabinet that supported the Brexit deal will not be the same group that moves the no-confidence vote against her.

Hardly a surprise that the Cabinet have shown themselves to be a bunch of spineless numpties. The agreement is supposedly several hundred pages long, so they must have agreed it without actually bothering to read it. Perhaps journalists should ask each minister a few questions about it.

Mayhem has said that there are three options - "This deal, no deal, or no Brexit at all"

 

I'll go for option three please.

Option three thanks!

 

The cabinet also went along with Chequers ... to her face ;p

 

Come on early Christmas present, bye bye Tories!!

Option three thanks!

 

The cabinet also went along with Chequers ... to her face ;p

 

Come on early Christmas present, bye bye Tories!!

 

Jeremy Corbyn dismissed another Brexit vote as not “a priority” tonight as she dashed Remainers' hopes of Labour backing for a second referendum.

 

The party leader has come under mounting pressure to support a second poll, as Theresa May prepares to present MPs with a “take it or leave it” choice on her withdrawal deal.

 

But Mr Corbyn, who spent 32 years on the backbenches as a eurosceptic before campaigning for Remain after winning the party leadership in 2015, risked disappointing Labour's pro-EU members with his comments.

 

Quizzed about a second referendum at a ReachFest event in London, hosted by the Mirror's parent company Reach, he told guests: “I don't see that as a priority.”

I know not many people will agree, but I actually think that this deal (not that I've seen it!) is likely to be the least worst option on offer here.

 

Effectively kicking the can down the road until December 2020 has got to be better than:

 

a) Going nuclear and ending up with no deal.

b) Holding another referendum - not least because nobody will agree on what the question should legitimately be, nor when it will be held given Article 50 expires in 135 days.

 

I expect many pragmatists will feel the same and allow the deal to be passed, with or without the DUP/ERG etc. If it leads to a major split in the Conservative party... well that's just a nice added BONUS. : )

I know not many people will agree, but I actually think that this deal (not that I've seen it!) is likely to be the least worst option on offer here.

 

Effectively kicking the can down the road until December 2020 has got to be better than:

 

a) Going nuclear and ending up with no deal.

b) Holding another referendum - not least because nobody will agree on what the question should legitimately be, nor when it will be held given Article 50 expires in 135 days.

 

I expect many pragmatists will feel the same and allow the deal to be passed, with or without the DUP/ERG etc. If it leads to a major split in the Conservative party... well that's just a nice added BONUS. : )

 

Of course it is, I mean the deal sounds pretty bad, but Brexit is stupid in general. Having a "no deal" will put Northern Ireland at risk and nobody has ever really taken in to consideration we don't have the infastructure nor the resource to put everything in place to be able to avoid weeks of chaos.

 

I think a split is inevitable eventually and probably the same for Labour too, I think the idea of this new Centrist party will rise again fairly shortly.

I only say that because some on the remain side are still under the bizarre illusion that an opposition party will be able to force parliament to legislate for, organise and hold another national EU referendum all in just under 4 months to somehow stop the process.

I only say that because some on the remain side are still under the bizarre illusion that an opposition party will be able to force parliament to legislate for, organise and hold another national EU referendum all in just under 4 months to somehow stop the process.

 

They do my NUT in on fb campaigning for the Liberals. Urgh no. Vote Labour or get a landed gentry Tory govt. The end x.

 

If the deal means we basically remain in the EU, eh, I can live with it for now. On a 50 50 split there HAD to be a compromise, not a WE SLIGHTLY WOOON, NO DEAL BREEEXIIIT EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T'T CAMPAIGN ON THAAAAT!

 

 

 

I only say that because some on the remain side are still under the bizarre illusion that an opposition party will be able to force parliament to legislate for, organise and hold another national EU referendum all in just under 4 months to somehow stop the process.

It doesn't have to be done in four months. If a vote is held, it is almost certain that the other 27 countries will agree to an extension of the Article 50 process.

Looks like this won't even get through Parliment as the Right-Tories are rebelling, Corbyn wants to leave the EU and probably sees it as an opportunity to sieze power and the SNP are hard-balling.

Mayhem has said that there are three options - "This deal, no deal, or no Brexit at all"

 

I'll go for option three please.

 

Guess which I'd prefer... :heehee:

 

Of course it is, I mean the deal sounds pretty bad, but Brexit is stupid in general. Having a "no deal" will put Northern Ireland at risk and nobody has ever really taken in to consideration we don't have the infastructure nor the resource to put everything in place to be able to avoid weeks of chaos.

 

I think a split is inevitable eventually and probably the same for Labour too, I think the idea of this new Centrist party will rise again fairly shortly.

 

I have no interest in how Brexit affects NI.

 

As for a new centrist party - we already *have* one that supports the EU, another one would be redundant.

 

I only say that because some on the remain side are still under the bizarre illusion that an opposition party will be able to force parliament to legislate for, organise and hold another national EU referendum all in just under 4 months to somehow stop the process.

 

Quite so.

 

It doesn't have to be done in four months. If a vote is held, it is almost certain that the other 27 countries will agree to an extension of the Article 50 process.

 

AIUI Article 50 itself is fixed at 2 years - it is only the negotiation period that can be extended? :unsure:

Extending the negotiating period means extending the Article 50 period. What would be the point of extending the negotiations if we have left?

 

As for Northern Ireland, it is part of the UK you claim to care so deeply about. Have you forgotten the 3,000+ people murdered in the Troubles? Do you really think a return to that would be OK.

Just a few months after getting the job, Dominic Raab has resigned as DExEU minister.

Good riddance but here we go, this won’t be pretty.

Ok with Dominic Raab gone my prediction yesterday is pretty buggered. Would be surprised if this gets through parliament (if we even reach a vote before the government withdrawing it).

 

Just hanging onto Theresa May's glimmer of hope when she warned (to Brexiteers) last night that voting down the deal risks 'No Brexit at all', straight from the horse's mouth.

Option three thanks!

 

The cabinet also went along with Chequers ... to her face ;p

 

Come on early Christmas present, bye bye Tories!!

 

I CALLED IT!!!

 

 

I SAID DIDN'T I?! THE SPINELESS TORIES DO A CESAR. THEY NEEEVER GET THE KNIVES OUT IN FRONT, AND ALWAYS CLEAVE THEM IN THE BACK!!

 

#psychicbeaver

 

Stick a fork in her. Modern day Rasputin is done, same foe the landed gentry brainwashing Tories.

And another one’s gone, another one’s gone, another one bites the dust. Esther McVey has resigned as Work and Pensions Secretary.

If we lived in an actual democracy where the media held the Tory dictatorship to account, we could all protest and bring the government down. Just like with authoritarian states however, we cannot intervene. The revolution has to come from within the Tory party. We can only sit back and watch it split. Come on Tories, you can split, we believe in youuu!!

Extending the negotiating period means extending the Article 50 period. What would be the point of extending the negotiations if we have left?

 

As for Northern Ireland, it is part of the UK you claim to care so deeply about. Have you forgotten the 3,000+ people murdered in the Troubles? Do you really think a return to that would be OK.

 

Any extension would cause great anger amongst Brexiters.

 

Project Fear again - suggesting there would be a return to the scale of problems we had in the 70's/80's.

 

And FYI I don't give a sh1t about NI - we should give it back the Irish, washing our hands of the whole issue.