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Well you seem to have an overinflated estimation of the effect of his opinions...

 

Brexit is his fault more than any other - but he wasn't carrying out his duties as an MEP he was using the cash to help pay for campaigning and had to pay some of his expenses back. By his own admissions he just pockets the cash and does nothing in the EU for his voters. His effect on the EU, despite rallying far-right interest groups, has so far not been swayed by any speeches he has made in the European Parliament. Because they aren't dumb shits swayed by propaganda and lies.

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Or maybe common sense just comes in to the occasion - we're a huge part of Europe and one of the mist powerful nations in the world. Why would you want to make yourself weaker?

 

You realise that, by that logic, countries should have been denied independance from the British Empire...

 

It looks like a f***ing ancient clip that’s taken wholly out he of context. The comment to go with the video and under it are beyond eyerolling. So many stupid mugs taken for a ride by a fake news page probably controlled by Russia.

 

That's why I included a disclaimer.

 

No, for the large mutual benefit we all get out of it.

 

The one that the Remain side has never been able to satisfactorily quantify?

Every time the Remain side quotes a figure, it is dismissed by the Quitters. Besides, some figures can only really be estimates. For example, many companies rely on "just in time" delivery from elsewhere in the EU. Any estimate of the cost of losing that can only be just that, an estimate. However, there can be no doubt that the figure is substantial.
You realise that, by that logic, countries should have been denied independance from the British Empire...

That's why I included a disclaimer.

The one that the Remain side has never been able to satisfactorily quantify?

 

They didn't vote to be controlled and raped of resources by the British Empire, it was imposed. We voted to join for mutual benefit and to avoid a World War ever again. That has been successful. Your beloved British Empire was ended by the last War

 

One thing we know for sure, is the NHS isn't get 350million extra a week, and what we pay into the EU isn't going to be regained from businesses moving elsewhere or going bust. It's not for no reason that the ones pushing a Hard Brexit are the richest and poshest of politicians and media moguls. Lovely seeing your beloved Daily Mail have a change of heart, proving once and for all that those headlines were the creation of one man in control. Now that the France-dwelling owners can see it's going to affect them personally and their profits if it goes tits up Hard Brexit they have had a change of heart...

 

Funny that.

 

Feel free to go back 2 years and reacquaint yourself with posts on Buzzjack about what was promised, expected and has been delivered. PS we are still members of the EU and have yet to see any serious effects of leaving without that promised marvellous deal that you must be overjoyed to see has been delivered exactly on time and as assured.

It's time for another "Wow" moment. You may have thought that Doionic Raab was a shoo-in for the idiot of the month award with his comments suggesting that he hadn't quite grasped the concept of the UK being an island. But no. Step forward the winner of many previous awards, Nadine Dorries. Having campaigned for Lave, she is now complaining that we will be left without any MEPs or a Commissioner.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-...g-a8639216.html

Well, this is proving to be a very competitive month. We now have an MP saying that we can use the transition period to iron out any problems if we leave with no deal. Tis MP has chosen to overlook the fact that the transition period is part of the deal. No deal, no transition period,

 

So, who is this dim-witted idiot? It's none other than David Davis. Yes, the man who was supposedly in charge of the negotiations when the transition period was agreed.

That is seriously worrying and a bit of a flippant attitude from someone who is supposed to be more clued-up and knowledgeable. Sadly, I'm not that surprised and would suggest that this type of attitude is endemic across the ERG and hard right of the Tory Party.

 

I find it fascinating that the ERG are themselves split on what action to take though - Jacob Rees-Mogg appears to have 'jumped the gun' and looks a bit weak and wobbly now, whereas Theresa May appears to, if anything, actually strengthened her position. I dare say the night of the long knives of say Boris, Gove etc. is still waiting to pounce, I expect in the Spring after we officially leave the EU (with a deal, whatever that may look like).

 

The parallels between this upcoming meaningful vote and the original vote in Parliament to join the European Communities in October 1971 is quite remarkable. A vote in which both Ken Clarke and Dennis Skinner both participated in. Ken Clarke confirmed last night on Newsnight that even though it is a 'dog's breakfast' that he would support the deal, and I think it is possible that enough 'moderate' Labour MPs when it comes to the crunch (ironically the ones most in favour of a 'People's Vote') will support the deal and allow the motion to pass.

I did that quiz a couple days ago. Only got an 89% Remain match :( I should have got Hard Remain - Euro, Euro army, etc.
I did that quiz a couple days ago. Only got an 89% Remain match :( I should have got Hard Remain - Euro, Euro army, etc.

Same result here.

 

I too am in favour of an ever closer union. Only way to protect our continent against the threat that Russia, China and the US have created.

Same result here.

 

I too am in favour of an ever closer union. Only way to protect our continent against the threat that Russia, China and the US have created.

 

The US aren't a threat to us!

Brexit Quiz

 

I got a 77% match with the governments deal, a 66% match with a Norway style deal and 64% match for Remain !

 

I voted Remain in the referendum but I'm a democrat so I'm incredibly torn on what to do next basically... thanks a lot David Cameron.

The US aren't a threat to us!

 

But could potentially be one day. It does not do for a continent to rely wholly on another for protection. It becomes almost like a vassal state.

Done the quiz

 

74% Norway deal

71% remain

58% government deal

54% Canada deal

33% no deal

 

Interesting, so it seems to me that deal is better than no deal. Hope we do get some sort of deal.

Done the quiz

 

74% Norway deal

71% remain

58% government deal

54% Canada deal

33% no deal

 

Interesting, so it seems to me that deal is better than no deal. Hope we do get some sort of deal.

 

A deal would be better than no deal, but I think May's current deal makes too many compromises.

But could potentially be one day. It does not do for a continent to rely wholly on another for protection. It becomes almost like a vassal state.

 

So, you agree that it would be wrong to rely on *any* continent, for protection... :thinking:

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So, you agree that it would be wrong to rely on *any* continent, for protection... :thinking:

 

Just like Kansas is part of the USA, Brexitlandia is part of Europe.

 

Too many compromises?? 51v48%, 2 nations v 2 nations. Too many compromises hmmmm

 

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