So, you agree that it would be wrong to rely on *any* continent, for protection... :thinking:

 

when you've got the USA ruled by a lying deluded nutter who has said he intends to steal the UK's business once we're desperate and without an EU agreement, hates NATO - mutual protection for all of Europe from a corrupt, invasive, murdering regime which is affecting democracies the world over in negative ways using lies and propaganda - and which denies global warming as the land in front of them burns, drowns, is blown away and crops fail on a scale that suggests that the evidence that world temps are rising is an actual thing, staring dangerous trade wars, caring not a fig about law, the Constitution, democracy, and willing to enrich himself at the expense of everyone else, AND who has already put blocks on the UK getting any sort of decent deal from the World Trade Organisation as we self-harm with no fall-back plan, then yes it would be wrong to rely on the USA for anything when we have no idea how it's going to play out, and we have actual democratic friends who WILL play mutual protection for any members and associates.

 

I would have thought that was fairly obvious.

Gibraaltar is lost, after 100s of years. Mad May has surrendered it to co-rule to protect the Tory party and its mad deal.

Gibraaltar is lost, after 100s of years. Mad May has surrendered it to co-rule to protect the Tory party and its mad deal.

 

That should go down very well with the citizens there.

 

So, in summary again, Brexiteers hate the deal cos it leaves us tied to the EU on trade matters, Remainers hate it cos we lose our freedom of movement, Northern Ireland DUP hates it cos it might end uo with them being in the EU in all but name while GB isn't, Scotland hates it because they voted to leave, and Gibraltar is bound to hate it because it starts them on the road to becoming Spanish. Presumably Isle Of Man, Jersey & co dont give a stuff because they will keep on being tax havens regardless, unless the UK starts to undercut them.

 

Totally fair that we should all be united in our mutual unhappiness. The deal will go through though cos there is no alternative that all sectors can agree on. My own hope is that the extension for trade discussions drags on for years, that'll be hilarious. It's taken 2 years to get to the outlines of an agreement that everyone hates and the meat and potatoes is still to be done.

 

I say potaTER and you say potaTOE, let's call the whole thing off, as the classic song goes....

Scotland did no such f***ing thing

Today's latest Project Fear nonsense...

 

Michael Gove 'decided to back May's Brexit after hearing how UK would run out of clean drinking water within DAYS of No Deal'

 

Michael Gove backed Theresa May’s deal after warning from disaster planners

Ministers told that leaving the EU without deal could spark national water crisis

Crucial chemicals used in water purification are imported to the UK from Europe

Deliveries risk getting caught in border chaos if Britain quits the EU without deal

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-64...l.html#comments

 

The co rule of Gibraltar will go down like a bag of sick!

 

We'd still have water, but maybe it would be dirtier eh.

Today's latest Project Fear nonsense...

 

Michael Gove 'decided to back May's Brexit after hearing how UK would run out of clean drinking water within DAYS of No Deal'

 

Michael Gove backed Theresa May’s deal after warning from disaster planners

Ministers told that leaving the EU without deal could spark national water crisis

Crucial chemicals used in water purification are imported to the UK from Europe

Deliveries risk getting caught in border chaos if Britain quits the EU without deal

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-64...l.html#comments

 

Not really fear though is it, when it's within the realms of possibility happen. I don't think people understand all the regulatory requirements that would need to change or pass if we had a no deal. Any good proposal shows the strengths and risks involved... surely everyone knows having no deal is absolutely barmey.

Not really fear though is it, when it's within the realms of possibility happen.

 

It's within the realms of possibility that I could win the lottery too... :rolleyes:

 

Seriously though, the papers are full of worst-case scenarios, invariably couched in terms like 'could' or 'might', and as such I give little credence to any of them!

Yet you were incredibly willing to believe worst-case scenarios that these papers published about the EU becoming a nefarious evil organisation/subsuming the UK into a United States of Europe/whatever other reason you've rationalised as being the reason why we MUST leave the EU and still are stuck to those beliefs... Funny that.

 

Especially when comparing the likelihood of both, at the moment, no deal disaster is very likely, and the EU becoming something that harms those within it is very unlikely.

Yet you were incredibly willing to believe worst-case scenarios that these papers published about the EU becoming a nefarious evil organisation/subsuming the UK into a United States of Europe/whatever other reason you've rationalised as being the reason why we MUST leave the EU and still are stuck to those beliefs... Funny that.

 

As I've said before, that wasn't the reason *I* opposed the EU.

 

Trading blocs, yes - economic unions, no!

Edited November 26, 20186 yr by vidcapper

It's within the realms of possibility that I could win the lottery too... :rolleyes:

 

Seriously though, the papers are full of worst-case scenarios, invariably couched in terms like 'could' or 'might', and as such I give little credence to any of them!

 

We might not run out of drinking water, but I can assure you in the event of no deal there would be absolute chaos in the country. That I am 100% sure of, purely down to regulatory and infrastructure. While the government might be able to mitigate the risk, thousands of businesses have not got a clue.

We might not run out of drinking water, but I can assure you in the event of no deal there would be absolute chaos in the country. That I am 100% sure of, purely down to regulatory and infrastructure. While the government might be able to mitigate the risk, thousands of businesses have not got a clue.

Far too many hardline Quitters seem to be under the illusion that "no deal means things just carry on more or less as they are now.

Scotland did no such f***ing thing

 

Yes of course you right, they voted to f***ing remain

Labour is hinting at a second referendum when Mad May goes down and they get into power.

Yes of course you right, they voted to f***ing remain

Damn f***ing right we did!!! All 32 local authorities #BadgeOfHonour

Labour is hinting at a second referendum when Mad May goes down and they get into power.

 

The removal of May wouldn't guarantee a GE, nor does it mean Labour would win such an election.

Edited November 27, 20186 yr by vidcapper

The removal of May wouldn't guarantee a GE, nor does it mean Labour would win such an election.

 

Um it basically does and you know it. The landed gentry are done.

In other Brexit news, the court case brought by Scottish MPs, MEPs and MSPs started today at the ECJ- lawyers warned (understandably) that allowing the unilateral revocation of Article 50 could:

 

“lead to disaster, of which “the main victim could be the European project altogether. A50 was “not ambiguous”, adding: “The prerogative of acting alone will have been exhausted by putting the notification letter on the council’s table.”

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scot...litics-46345287

The best outcome is really that A50 can be withdrawn with the agreement of all or a majority of the European Council I think. It provides an escape route without undermining the European Project.

The removal of May wouldn't guarantee a GE, nor does it mean Labour would win such an election.

 

Yeh any GE at this stage would be the tories to lose as they would be able to label labour as wreckers of the deal etc etc.