And that's different from *every other* PM, how? :w00t:

Grow up. Johnson easily outdoes all his predecessors (in my lifetime at least) when it comes to lies. I disagreed with Thatcher on almost everything, but at least I could assume that she was generally telling the truth (or something close to it) when it came to facts. With Johnson, the opposite is the case.

Grow up.

 

Excuse me?!

 

Johnson easily outdoes all his predecessors (in my lifetime at least) when it comes to lies. I disagreed with Thatcher on almost everything, but at least I could assume that she was generally telling the truth (or something close to it) when it came to facts. With Johnson, the opposite is the case.

 

I am very sceptical about anything *any* politician says - Boris Johnson no more or less than any other.

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by vidcapper

Excuse me?!

I am very sceptical about anything *any* politician says - Boris Johnson no more or less than any other.

 

Well then, you're the perfect fool for Boris.

 

Skepticism towards politicians is understandable but those unable to see the difference just enable his lies further.

 

Well then, you're the perfect fool for Boris.

 

Did you mean 'tool'? :unsure:

 

Skepticism towards politicians is understandable but those unable to see the difference just enable his lies further.

 

It's not a question of being 'unable' - I would do the same for anyone who appears to be making a good attempt to get through what we voted for, namely leaving the EU.

 

And that's different from *every other* PM, how? :w00t:

Hard to believe, despite the polls?

Ever wonder *how* you became so convinced there's a 'secret Tory plot to create a one party state' in the first place? :teresa:

 

The irony is - you accuse me of being brainwashed by the Daily Mail, yet are oblivious to to your own 100% reliance of leftist sources to form your own opinions...

 

Even Ofcom is demanding changes from the BBTory :rofl: Peter Owen has smashed the one party media state with his analysis. The BBTory even tried some small changes on the fly on response. It is a fact. Once the Tories get in, they sneak and conive to never get out anf the media is supporting them.

 

Grow up. Bojo is a serial liar and a crook. There is a world of difference. Only Cameron and Mad May even come close to his levels of skullduggery and lies.

 

Also, 51% is a non binding referendum where you expressed an ooinion, a vague one, rather than voted. It's not enough for major constitutional change. Sorry. Aaand no one voted for a hard tory brexshit. Sorry. It is totally undemocratic.

Also, 51% is a non binding referendum where you expressed an ooinion, a vague one, rather than voted. It's not enough for major constitutional change. Sorry. Aaand no one voted for a hard tory brexshit. Sorry. It is totally undemocratic.

 

If I had a penny for every time you repeated *that*, I could retire tomorrow. :lol:

And maybe one time it will finally sink in instead of you repeating the lies of the hard right press and Tories you've obviously been brainwashed and conditioned by x

And maybe one time it will finally sink in instead of you repeating the lies of the hard right press and Tories you've obviously been brainwashed and conditioned by x

 

Another penny for me. :rolleyes:

If I had a penny for every time you repeated *that*, I could retire tomorrow. :lol:

 

Me too. :)

 

 

Maybe he just copies and pastes his posts. :D

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by Freddie Kruger

Excuse me?!

I am very sceptical about anything *any* politician says - Boris Johnson no more or less than any other.

The attitude that "all politicians lie all the time" has helped to get us where we are. We now have Cabinet ministers whose attitude seems to be "If people think we always lie, I might as well lie". Tories know that they can lie more than politicians of other parties because they have a largely compliant press on their side.

Did you mean 'tool'? :unsure:

It's not a question of being 'unable' - I would do the same for anyone who appears to be making a good attempt to get through what we voted for, namely leaving the EU.

 

A very slim majority voted for.

 

You don't speak for a significant number of people.

The attitude that "all politicians lie all the time" has helped to get us where we are. We now have Cabinet ministers whose attitude seems to be "If people think we always lie, I might as well lie". Tories know that they can lie more than politicians of other parties because they have a largely compliant press on their side.

 

 

Exactly. Letting Boris off the hook with "oh well *shrugs/rolls eyes* they are all the same as each other" is ridiculous and leading down a dangerous path.

 

Yes many politicians do lie, yes many Prime Ministers lie, terribly, but this is a man who has a track record for colossal lies, telling multiple different versions of events to different people, and has no issue with taking the UK out of the EU in the most reckless, chaotic way possible all for personal gain.

 

He deserves to be called out, he deserves to have his motives scrutinized, questions and then questioned again.

Exactly. Letting Boris off the hook with "oh well *shrugs/rolls eyes* they are all the same as each other" is ridiculous and leading down a dangerous path.

 

Yes many politicians do lie, yes many Prime Ministers lie, terribly, but this is a man who has a track record for colossal lies, telling multiple different versions of events to different people, and has no issue with taking the UK out of the EU in the most reckless, chaotic way possible all for personal gain.

 

He deserves to be called out, he deserves to have his motives scrutinized, questions and then questioned again.

One of the bodies tasked with questioning him is the House of Commons liaison committee. The PM (in a process introduced by Tony Blair) is supposed to appear before that committee each year. This year's session was supposed to be in September but Johnson avoided that with his unlawful prorogation of parliament. It was rearranged for yesterday but Johnson dodged that date as well. So, in three months as PM Johnson has manged to attend PMQs twice and the liaison committee not at all.

One of the bodies tasked with questioning him is the House of Commons liaison committee. The PM (in a process introduced by Tony Blair) is supposed to appear before that committee each year. This year's session was supposed to be in September but Johnson avoided that with his unlawful prorogation of parliament. It was rearranged for yesterday but Johnson dodged that date as well. So, in three months as PM Johnson has manged to attend PMQs twice and the liaison committee not at all.

 

 

Oh...well...they´re all the same. Nevermind.. ;) ;)

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by mald487

I think we're drifting off-topic for this thread, perhaps it should be continued elsewhere?

Westminster Voting Intention:

 

CON: 36% (-1)

LAB: 23% (+1)

LDM: 18% (-1)

BXP: 12% (+1)

GRN: 6% (-1)

 

Via @YouGov - 24-25 Oct,

Changes w/ 20-21 Oct.

Opinium poll for the Observer, 23-25 Oct

 

Con 40% +3

Lab 24% ±0

Lib Dem 15% -1

Brexit 10% -2

 

Change since 15-17 Oct

Two great polls there for Boris to ponder. Would give him a nice overall majority.

Two great polls there for Boris to ponder. Would give him a nice overall majority.

 

Corbyn not wanting a GE to block 'No Deal'? Yeah, right... :rolleyes: