EU LAW THAT THE UK HAS CHOSEN NOT TO APPLY EXPLICITLY ALLOWS US TO CONTROL MIGRATION FROM THE EU BY REQUIRING EU NATIONALS TO REGISTER, PROHIBITING THEIR RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDING WHEN THEY ARRIVE IN THE UK AND DEPORTING THEM IF THEY DONT HAVE A JOB WITHIN THREE MONTHS

 

Don't keep ignoring this Chris.

 

Sick to my back teeth of repeating this to you and vidcapper. It’s like you’re being wilfully thick.

EU LAW THAT THE UK HAS CHOSEN NOT TO APPLY EXPLICITLY ALLOWS US TO CONTROL MIGRATION FROM THE EU BY REQUIRING EU NATIONALS TO REGISTER, PROHIBITING THEIR RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDING WHEN THEY ARRIVE IN THE UK AND DEPORTING THEM IF THEY DONT HAVE A JOB WITHIN THREE MONTHS

 

Read something other than the daily mail for once in your damn life

 

 

I don't read the Daily Mail, The Sun or any other newspaper. Haven't done for years. I base my opinions on real every day life and what I see going on every day in my community.

I don't read the Daily Mail, The Sun or any other newspaper. Haven't done for years. I base my opinions on real every day life and what I see going on every day in my community.

In which case, a propos your comment earlier this week, you should have noticed the the bananas on sale in greengrocers, supermarkets etc. are decidedly curved.

I don't read the Daily Mail, The Sun or any other newspaper. Haven't done for years. I base my opinions on real every day life and what I see going on every day in my community.

 

I wouldn't mind Europeans coming if they had a job lined up already but most don't have. They look for one when they get here. I've nothing against all the nurses who come from the Philippines as without them the NHS would face a severe staff crisis. There shouldn't be free movement within the EU and there should be stricter criteria as to who comes. If that was the case a lot of us who voted out for the immigration reason may not have.

I'll go with your ludicrous statement in the first quote for a moment. So, because you see a handful of migrants within your one community in the UK, you take one glimpse at them and automatically assume they're either not seeking employment or even in employment? And that justifies the foundations of your whole reasoning for voting Leave?

 

The cheek and hypocrisy of all of this coming from somebody who is not seeking employment, throwing persistent tantrums about fitness-to-work assessments, receiving financial support from the government in the form of benefits, etc is unbelievable. Your terribly misinformed, self-entitled vote for Leave is not going to deliver any of the wonderful outcomes you anticipate, Chris.

I have to laugh at Dyson's HQ moving to Singapore because of Brexit, if you had to sum up the hypocrisy of Leave voters and campaigners in one thing to an alien from Mars, that'd be it :lol: f*** up the country, and sod off when it becomes clear it will affect them, leaving everyone else to just drown in the sea of absolute shite.

 

I'll go with your ludicrous statement in the first quote for a moment. So, because you see a handful of migrants within your one community in the UK, you take one glimpse at them and automatically assume they're either not seeking employment or even in employment? And that justifies the foundations of your whole reasoning for voting Leave?

 

The cheek and hypocrisy of all of this coming from somebody who is not seeking employment, throwing persistent tantrums about fitness-to-work assessments, receiving financial support from the government in the form of benefits, etc is unbelievable. Your terribly misinformed, self-entitled vote for Leave is not going to deliver any of the wonderful outcomes you anticipate, Chris.

*insert hands in the air Emoji 99 times over*

 

With all due respect, it is often people on benefits you hear complaining about immigration and using it as an excuse for why they don't get a job, if it's not that they just won't work no matter what. I know it's hard, but if you aren't qualified for jobs or don't bother with them, you absolutely cannot complain that people who are qualified, do bother and work hard have jobs, or at least come to a place where they can look for opportunities. And I'm sure you don't complain when their jobs are contributing towards paying your benefits....

 

Besides, it's not even just the EU obviously, whenever I hear any explanation for why people voted Leave, it comes across that they saw someone in a burqa in Aldi and decided that all immigrants must go, on the spot, the EU as a scapegoat. And that's part of why this whole thing leaves such a bitter taste, Leave won by such a small margin and all you hear is woefully blind and misinformed people making comments like this as to why they voted Leave, and because they are too ignorant to share a country that's been a melting pot of cultures for so long with anybody else, the next generation are having to bear the tidal wave of everything going wrong. People are all fine to eat the food it gives us, but god forbid they have to sit on a bus next to a mother who tells her child to sit down in Romanian or is talking to her sister on the phone in Russian and they decide immigrants have ruined their community and the whole country.

Sick to my back teeth of repeating this to you and vidcapper. It’s like you’re being wilfully thick.

Hey, don't try & drag me into the xenophobia - that has never been *my* motivation for voting Brexit.

 

Besides, it's not even just the EU obviously, whenever I hear any explanation for why people voted Leave, it comes across that they saw someone in a burqa in Aldi and decided that all immigrants must go, on the spot, the EU as a scapegoat. And that's part of why this whole thing leaves such a bitter taste

 

Surely you're not suggesting it would be *less* bitter if Leave had won by a larger margin?

 

The bitter part of Leave winning by a small margin is public figures and everyone acting like it was a conclusive margin and an undebatable victory.

 

The bitter part of Leave winning by a bigger margin would be sheer despair at the country being wilfully stupid and knowing that there was little chance it would change.

 

Neither are good but I'd take the first one.

The bitter part of Leave winning by a bigger margin would be sheer despair at the country being wilfully stupid and knowing that there was little chance it would change.

 

Could you explain that a little further - what would be 'wilfully stupid' about a country making that choice?

The same downsides that we've been telling you about for years, voting to lose free movement in an entire continent, voting to lose countless EU funded projects, voting to introduce turmoil and the unknown on the back of vague promises that turned out to be lies almost as soon as the result was announced. Only with a bigger margin, we'd have known that more of the voting public had fallen for it.

The same downsides that we've been telling you about for years, voting to lose free movement in an entire continent, voting to lose countless EU funded projects, voting to introduce turmoil and the unknown on the back of vague promises that turned out to be lies almost as soon as the result was announced. Only with a bigger margin, we'd have known that more of the voting public had fallen for it.

 

So even if, say, 90% had vote for Brexit, they'd still have 'fallen for it'?

 

Just how high a % would it take to convince you that it was a genuine expression of voters opinions?

 

As for the 'downsides' you mention - clearly they were not considered downsides to a majority of those who voted.

 

So even if, say, 90% had vote for Brexit, they'd still have 'fallen for it'?

 

Just how high a % would it take to convince you that it was a genuine expression of voters opinions?

 

As for the 'downsides' you mention - clearly they were not considered downsides to a majority of those who voted.

No, they wee dismissed as "Project Fear" by the liars in the Leave campaign. Of course, others in the Leave campaign said there were no downsides at all. That was a lie, wasn't it?

So even if, say, 90% had vote for Brexit, they'd still have 'fallen for it'?

 

Just how high a % would it take to convince you that it was a genuine expression of voters opinions?

 

As for the 'downsides' you mention - clearly they were not considered downsides to a majority of those who voted.

 

Yes.

 

No %. A clean campaign and a situation where its proponents would not have to scrabble for reasons why leaving benefits us instead of vague promises that it'll be worth it in the end.

 

We really don't know that because of all the misinformation spread during the campaign and how every Leaver has a different reason for leaving, some even voting in the hopes of a situation where we do not lose benefits like freedom of movement.

So even if, say, 90% had vote for Brexit, they'd still have 'fallen for it'?

 

Just how high a % would it take to convince you that it was a genuine expression of voters opinions?

 

As for the 'downsides' you mention - clearly they were not considered downsides to a majority of those who voted.

 

I think a much larger majority WOULD have made the case for leaving pretty air-tight.

 

As I say oevr and over I can;t stand hypocrisy from politicians especially. The Brexiteers who don't want another people's vote to see that we are all getting what we thought we were voting for are the same people who wanted (in advance) follow-up referendums in Wales, Scotland & BREXIT before they knew the results, and also after the results in Wales. That includes Rees-Frog, Forage, and the other leading lights of the lies told in the referendum campaign by the illegally-funded foreign-supported liars of Leave. When you support corruption you don't believe in democracy at all, and as we've seen once they all found that the Law, Parliament, and UK laws & processes don't go the way they wanted (which they claimed they wanted to "take back control") they make enemies of everybody that doesn't fall for their lies in their self-interested attempts to subvert UK democracy. Personally I loathe them for what they've done and history will judge them harshly.

Time for a prediction. If we do leave, within five years the proportion of people (excluding those too young to have voted) who say they voted Leave will be under 40%. If we leave without a deal, that will happen within three years.

Would suprise me if it's even less than that. You also have to take into account the number of leave voters that will be dead by then.

Surely you're not suggesting it would be *less* bitter if Leave had won by a larger margin?

As Iz said, knowing the country is so stupid to be decisively for it would be awful but I'm often of that mindset. At least if it was a larger loss, it wouldn't be a care of "if only the campaign was managed better" "if only people were more educated". I just feel like those things could easily have swung it, such a near miss just feels a bit worse. Of course any outcome ending in Brexit is bitter enough...

Would suprise me if it's even less than that. You also have to take into account the number of leave voters that will be dead by then.

I’m being cautious!

Time for a prediction. If we do leave, within five years the proportion of people (excluding those too young to have voted) who say they voted Leave will be under 40%. If we leave without a deal, that will happen within three years.

 

It's already less than 36% of the population isn't it? :D Remain is about 34% and most likely deaths since then have been weighted more to Leavers.

 

Or to put it another way, 64% of the country didn't vote for economic suicide, so one should assume they were happy with the status quo.

 

Now That's What I Call Democracy....

 

But yes, if it's a tits-up disaster then numbers of people admitting they caused it by voting for dodgy liars who made false claims and were gullible will drop year-on-year as no-one wants to look like an idiot at work or to friends. My friends who voted Leave don't give a toss what the consequences are though so it'll probably remain fairly accurate, give or take natural causes losses.

oh, and if anyone wants cheering up, how about this Twitter post?

 

 

"John O'Connell

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Confirmation today from multiple US sources via our US colleagues that Nigel #Farage upgraded by FBI from 'Person of Interest' in Multiple Data Crimes to 'Actively being Investigated'.

 

Likely to be asked to schedule an interview on his next visit."

 

Now this is what the Government should be doing. Throws the whole result into the air, if he goes down, as centrepiece of the whole movement.