No it isn't. Just the corrupt ones. That's why there are rules and why corruption should negate a result. Otherwise democracy becomes all about who has the most money, which is giving power to the rich and powerful.

 

Perhaps I'm too cynical, but ISTM money already determines most elections, whether the participants stick to the rules or not.

It seems as the TerMayNator, nothing gets rid of it, is going for a short extension while blaming Parliament and sucking up to the general public who voted for Brexit as if she is a saint blameless in all this in the obvious intent to force ERG nutters to take the deal or Remainers to take the deal. The former want a Hard Brexit, so flawed. The latter have the interests of the nation at heart, but the lesser of 2 evils hasnt worked to date.

 

So a Hard Brexit it is.

 

Except that.....since May clearly thinks MP's are allowed to change their mind again and again and again till they do what she wants, then she has no moral ability, nor do MP's, to say the public can't have a referendum when they keep having one every bloody week. Hypocrites. Now, if Corbyn was doing his job, that would now be the default position as it's clearly the only thing which will sort it out. You couldn't imagine a pair of more useless leaders if you waited a millennia for just one to turn up.....

 

The think I don't get is - parliament doesn't want a Hard Brexit, yet they still keep rejecting the deal on offer... :wacko:

Parliament is in roughly three groups, of different size but significant enough to cancel each other out. The Government, the ERG and other Hard Brexiters/non-government Remainers which mostly overlaps with Labour MPs.

 

The government and the Remainers don’t want no deal. Neither faction outside the government wants the deal on offer as it’s a limp compromise and with time running out each thinks that this will make their ideal outcome more likely. And neither the government or the ERG (obviously) will do anything to put Brexit in jeopardy so we are somewhat at a three-way impasse.

 

I suspect your question would be why won’t the ‘Remainers’ as I’ve dubbed them, not an entirely accurate label, go with the people and vote with the deal. Well, they are largely Labour or TIG or Lib Dem and will either not vote for any Brexit (Remainers at any cost) or wish to present a Labour alternative and a Labour Brexit, probably with a second referendum accompanied. So perhaps it’s four groups and at this point little will make any change their view until it’s too late.

It seems as the TerMayNator, nothing gets rid of it, is going for a short extension while blaming Parliament and sucking up to the general public who voted for Brexit as if she is a saint blameless in all this in the obvious intent to force ERG nutters to take the deal or Remainers to take the deal. The former want a Hard Brexit, so flawed. The latter have the interests of the nation at heart, but the lesser of 2 evils hasnt worked to date.

 

Seems like a good strategy to blame Parliament, when you need their votes to get your deal through. Yeah, good plan Tez.

 

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From Sky News online.

 

Theresa May is to ask Brussels for only a short delay to Brexit - expected to be around three months - Sky News understands.

 

Downing Street sources have confirmed the prime minister will not request a long delay in her letter to EU Council President Donald Tusk today.

 

A senior government source said: "There's a case for giving parliament more time to find a way forward but people in this country have been waiting nearly three years, they are fed up with parliament's failure to take a decision and the prime minister shares that frustration."

 

It has not been disclosed what length of time Mrs May will ask for, but an extension until 30 June is expected, as that is the last day Britain could remain in the EU without taking part in European elections.

Good. If they can't agree a deal by the end of June then we'll crash out with no deal or she'll revoke article 50 which would majorly pi** off very many Brexiters like myself.

 

At least she recognises that Brexit was voted for by the public and must happen.

Edited March 20, 20196 yr by Common Sense

But I thought it was written in UK law that we leave on March 29th Chris?

 

Facetiousness aside, it’s an incredibly weak move, not least because it’s the delay the EU27 are least likely to accept. They aren’t going to have this overshadowing the EU elections. Oh and also because it won’t convince Parliament to pass her deal. Yet more pointless delaying.

Good. If they can't agree a deal by the end of June then we'll crash out with no deal or she'll revoke article 50 which would majorly pi** off very many Brexiters like myself.

 

At least she recognises that Brexit was voted for by the public and must happen.

 

No, she recognises that she wants her version of Brexit as if it's the only one possible when all of the main Brexiters during the referendum said we could have the Norway Option. All of them. She's incapable of compromise and that's why she's useless, she can't even compromise with what was promised during the referendum as a way of getting Brexit through, she'd rather destroy the country than admit she's done a rubbish deal that everyone hates. Even the Brexiters who agreed the deal hate it. If Brexiters who worked on the deal hate it, why should anyone else agree to it?

It seems as the TerMayNator, nothing gets rid of it, is going for a short extension while blaming Parliament and sucking up to the general public who voted for Brexit as if she is a saint blameless in all this in the obvious intent to force ERG nutters to take the deal or Remainers to take the deal. The former want a Hard Brexit, so flawed. The latter have the interests of the nation at heart, but the lesser of 2 evils hasnt worked to date.

 

So a Hard Brexit it is.

 

Except that.....since May clearly thinks MP's are allowed to change their mind again and again and again till they do what she wants, then she has no moral ability, nor do MP's, to say the public can't have a referendum when they keep having one every bloody week. Hypocrites. Now, if Corbyn was doing his job, that would now be the default position as it's clearly the only thing which will sort it out. You couldn't imagine a pair of more useless leaders if you waited a millennia for just one to turn up.....

 

She’s trying to keep The Tory party together, while still having hope that her shit deal goes through. I suspect the EU will reject her request and ask for a longer extension on the provision of a general election or another referendum.

 

Might I also add that yes all the public is fed up of Brexit but this is all down to the entire government and elected MPs playing games with each other and absolutely no strategy. If only Yvette Cooper was leading the Labour Party cos they’d at least command a fighting chance of having a Coalition government.

She says she's not prepared to delay Brexit beyond 30th June so what happens if they reject her request for a short delay but want a longer delay? Do we then crash out on March 29th? My guess is then she'd have to revoke A50 to prevent us crashing out with no deal. Sky are saying the same thing.

 

Her letter to Juncker's on the news channel websites now.

 

EDIT. Rumours that Emmanuel Macron is set to veto any extension at all, even a short one. So it'll be crash out with no deal or revoke A50 and it's very doubtful that May will do that as she believes we should honour the result of the referendum, as we should.

Edited March 20, 20196 yr by Common Sense

Just to remind you all, the law states the UK leaves the EU on 29th March, 11pm, with a deal or no deal.

 

There will be no unicorns for a second referendum or revoking Article 50, the UK is a democratic country and the British people made their decision almost 3 YEARS AGO!

 

Just to remind you all, the law states the UK leaves the EU on 29th March, 11pm, with a deal or no deal.

 

There will be no unicorns for a second referendum or revoking Article 50, the UK is a democratic country and the British people made their decision almost 3 YEARS AGO!

 

 

That's right. I hope we leave as planned on March 29th. So does a lot of business and industry actually as they've planned for it already.

That's right. I hope we leave as planned on March 29th. So does a lot of business and industry actually as they've planned for it already.

 

I think everyone is ready to put this all to bed now and move on.

 

The EU can carry on with their United States of Europe project and the UK can go off and put our priorities first for the first time in decades.

She says she's not prepared to delay Brexit beyond 30th June so what happens if they reject her request for a short delay but want a longer delay? Do we then crash out on March 29th? My guess is then she'd have to revoke A50 to prevent us crashing out with no deal. Sky are saying the same thing.

 

Her letter to Juncker's on the news channel websites now.

 

EDIT. Rumours that Emmanuel Macron is set to veto any extension at all, even a short one. So it'll be crash out with no deal or revoke A50 and it's very doubtful that May will do that as she believes we should honour the result of the referendum, as we should.

 

Because the shirt extension is a power ploy by May to get her shitty deal through and to keep the Tory party together. Her deal isn’t getting through unless the DUP support it. And by going to No Deal she’s gone against the House, so essentially we’re all victims of a dictator in action ignoring the will of democratically elected MPs?

 

We’re going to probably be faced with a long extension with a 2nd referendum voting on the Deal. That’s the only way out right now.

That's right. I hope we leave as planned on March 29th. So does a lot of business and industry actually as they've planned for it already.

 

Can you give any examples of businesses that hope we leave on the 29th? Of course business have planned for it because failure to do so is terrible strategic planning. I can certainly tell you the business I work for hopes we’ll avoid leaving with a No Deal because of the massive extra costs and administration that’s going to be forced.

Just to remind you all, the law states the UK leaves the EU on 29th March, 11pm, with a deal or no deal.

 

There will be no unicorns for a second referendum or revoking Article 50, the UK is a democratic country and the British people made their decision almost 3 YEARS AGO!

Just to remind you, laws can be changed. That’s what governments do.

Just to remind you, laws can be changed. That’s what governments do.

 

Tick tock.

So, Donald Tusk has just said that he will recommend to the other leaders that the EU grants a short extension but it is dependant on the Commons passing the Deal when she tries again next week. What if Bercow won't allow it though? What if it fails again which is very likely? This just gets more complicated. :rolleyes:

 

Theresa May to meet all the other opposition leaders at 5pm then address the nation live from outside No.10 at 6pm. Seems like she'll lay it on the line to the public and MP's. Her deal or we leave next Friday with no deal. So it's up to MP's now.

Edited March 20, 20196 yr by Common Sense

So, Donald Tusk has just said that he will recommend to the other leaders that the EU grants a short extension but it is dependant on the Commons passing the Deal when she tries again next week. What if Bercow won't allow it though? What if it fails again which is very likely? This just gets more complicated. :rolleyes:

 

Theresa May to meet all the other opposition leaders at 5pm then address the nation live from outside No.10 at 6pm. Seems like she'll lay it on the line to the public and MP's. Her deal or we leave next Friday with no deal. So it's up to MP's now.

 

Yes, the MP's will definitely get the blame from voters if we crash out with No Deal!

So, Donald Tusk has just said that he will recommend to the other leaders that the EU grants a short extension but it is dependant on the Commons passing the Deal when she tries again next week. What if Bercow won't allow it though? What if it fails again which is very likely? This just gets more complicated. :rolleyes:

A longer extension is possible, albeit not desirable for the EU.

 

Clear that the EU, on balance, wants the UK to leave as soon as possible and as originally scheduled. This is understandable given how much trouble the UK have caused. This desire probably outweighs their desire for the UK to accept customs union/single market membership.