Well it looks like Boris and Cummings' cunning last minute plan may be to prorogue Parliament again the day after the Queen's speech until after Oct 31st, maybe Nov 3rd. Then he'll just not send any letter to the EU and MP's won't be there in the days leading up to Brexit to force him or discuss anything. He'll take his chances of being taken to court. At least then we'll have crashed out. Told you they still had an ace or two up their sleeves.

 

 

Writing in today's Sunday Telegraph, Joe Moor, director of legislative affairs at 10 Downing Street until July, says she's hearing that the PM may suspend Parliament again after the Queens' Speech next month from Oct 14 "until at least Monday Nov 4".

 

Would The Queen agree though? :o

 

Go Boris!!! Take us out.

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Your second sentence is obviously a defence of capitalism. Sorry, but earning money and giving it to the rich is CAPITALISM. Yes. You were thinking of CAPITALISM, not socialism or keynesian economics x

 

THIS

but is that legal? could he keep proroguing parliament every month if he feels like it? :blink:

Well it looks like Boris and Cummings' cunning last minute plan may be to prorogue Parliament again the day after the Queen's speech until after Oct 31st, maybe Nov 3rd. Then he'll just not send any letter to the EU and MP's won't be there in the days leading up to Brexit to force him or discuss anything. He'll take his chances of being taken to court. At least then we'll have crashed out. Told you they still had an ace or two up their sleeves.

Writing in today's Sunday Telegraph, Joe Moor, director of legislative affairs at 10 Downing Street until July, says she's hearing that the PM may suspend Parliament again after the Queens' Speech next month from Oct 14 "until at least Monday Nov 4".

 

Would The Queen agree though? :o

 

Go Boris!!! Take us out.

 

An “insider” at No. 10 has said that Cumming’s comments were a joke and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

 

In any ways, I actually think the Queen wouldn’t agree to a second proroguing of Parliament.

So everything would be wonderful if the left had the same control over the media that you *claim* the Right has - and would gladly hand over their hard-earned wages to give to the feckless? :rolleyes:

 

Feckless???

 

What money for the roads you use, the health service everyone requires, schools we get educated in and pensions for people who can no longer work due to age! Reckless indeed :wacko:

To think vidcapper tried to use the 60+ Tory internet propaganda piece of, I was Labour but... line on us with how far right he is! :rofl:

 

Also common sense, that is INSAANE. Why are you supporting SHUTTING DOWN DEMOCRACY?! IF EVERYONE WANTED BREXSHIT AS YOU CLAIM, PERPERRL HERRV SPERKWERRRN, THEN WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO?!

The flaw in the Benn Act

Jolyon Maugham

2 hours ago

There is a flaw in the European Union (Withdrawal) (No.2) Act 2019 (the “Benn Act“) and, if MPs want to avoid us leaving without a deal, they may need to take counter-measures.

 

The flaw arises in circumstances where the Prime Minister brings a Withdrawal Agreement (“WA”) to Parliament for approval. And it arises from the mismatch between the provisions of the Benn Act and those of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 (the “2018 Act“).

 

What follows is a slightly simplified description of the flaw, to aid readability.

 

To avoid the PM having to request an extension from the EU under section 1 of the Benn Act the Commons must approve the WA. If they do, on or prior to 19 October, the obligation in the Benn Act to request an extension falls away.

 

However, the provisions of the 2018 Act specify further preconditions, beyond approval by the Commons of the WA, before the WA can be ratified and No Deal avoided.

 

Those preconditions are set out in section 13(1) of the 2018 Act and include the passing of a further Act implementing the Withdrawal Agreement (the “Further Obligations”).

 

Summing up, if the Commons approves the WA but these Further Obligations are not satisfied before 31 October 2019, then two consequences follow. First, the Benn Act will not apply to require the PM to request an extension from the EU. And, second, we will leave with No Deal.

 

So, imagine the PM says privately to the ERG ‘support my WA and I will deliver No Deal.’ In those circumstances, with the help of some Labour MPs, the Commons might approve even Theresa May’s WA.

 

The PM would thus have escaped the obligation in the Benn Act to request an extension and could deliver No Deal.

 

He could, for example, again suspend Parliament (subject of course to the outcome of this week’s Supreme Court hearing). There is some evidence (see below) that he plans to do this. And we would leave without a deal.

 

Indeed, even without again suspending Parliament, he may well be able to deliver No Deal simply by refusing to put before the Commons an Act implementing the Withdrawal Agreement. In such circumstances the Further Obligations would not be satisfied in advance of 31 October 2019 and we would leave with No Deal.

 

I had been discussing the above privately with trusted MPs and friends. However, because there is circumstantial evidence, set out below, that the PM’s office is aware of this flaw, I am putting it into the public domain in the hope that MPs consider what counter-measures they may wish to take.

 

The best way to bypass the flaw is for MPs to refuse to approve any motion for a WA on or before 19 October. Those who want the Withdrawal Agreement should refuse on the basis that, by voting for it, they may well be delivering No Deal.

 

In those circumstances, I believe the Courts, likely in consequence of proceedings afoot in Scotland, will enforce the Benn Act and require the PM to request an extension.

 

However, nothing is certain. There may be other flaws I have failed to spot. And the EU may refuse an extension. The situation now, as has always been the case, is that the only absolutely certain way to avoid No Deal is for Parliament to legislate to change the default if no agreement is reached from No Deal to revoke.

 

***

 

The circumstantial evidence is:

 

A story, reported in today’s Mail on Sunday, that a further suspension of Parliament is planned.

 

Reports that the Prime Minister is meeting members of the ERG privately.

 

Widely reported briefings that the Prime Minister plans to put a re-heated version of Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement before Parliament.

 

 

 

Interesting times. If Boris manages to defy MP's and takes us out on 31st October he'll deserve a bloody medal.

I’d hope Boris would be locked up before he has any chance to do that. Can you imagine the civil unrest if it did happen?

You can't prorogue Parliament all the time?!!

but is that legal? could he keep proroguing parliament every month if he feels like it? :blink:

 

 

Just read that Her Majesty is very unlikely to refuse a request from her trusted PM.

I’d hope Boris would be locked up before he has any chance to do that. Can you imagine the civil unrest if it did happen?

 

 

No, us Brexiteers would cause champagne sales to soar that week.

Just read that Her Majesty is very unlikely to refuse a request from her trusted PM.

 

Because she has no real power. Trust me, if that happens it will be the end for this country and I hope you suffer more than anyone.

Also common sense, that is INSAANE. Why are you supporting SHUTTING DOWN DEMOCRACY?! IF EVERYONE WANTED BREXSHIT AS YOU CLAIM, PERPERRL HERRV SPERKWERRRN, THEN WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO?!

 

 

I support any plan that Boris has to take us out on 31st Oct. as this has gone on long enough. Even some remainers are fed up now and wish it was all over. Extend, extend. How long do we keep extending.

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Ah fantastic, let's just rehash May's "terrible deal", which most of the cabinet voted against and use that as our deal. Bunch of knobs.

 

I couldn't see the Deal passing through Parliment, you'd need a large amount of Labour rebels.

Ah fantastic, let's just rehash May's "terrible deal", which most of the cabinet voted against and use that as our deal. Bunch of knobs.

 

I couldn't see the Deal passing through Parliment, you'd need a large amount of Labour rebels.

 

 

Well if it was that or no deal they may, just may, vote for it.

I support any plan that Boris has to take us out on 31st Oct. as this has gone on long enough. Even some remainers are fed up now and wish it was all over. Extend, extend. How long do we keep extending.

 

If we leave by No Deal, Brexit will still be the topic for years. It doesn't solve any problems apart from being a PR move for Boris Johnson.

There's said to be lots going on behind the scenes with Boris meeting Government lawyers, the Attorney General again, the ERG,etc etc.

 

You can bet Government lawyers have gone through Benn's law with a fine tooth comb and are still doing so, at Boris's request.

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Well if it was that or no deal they may, just may, vote for it.

 

Except they can't get No Deal through without Boris Johnson breaking the law. I suspect the majority of people would rather take their chances, as I don't believe he would do that. And if he does, well then he's more of an idiot than I already think he is.

 

Basically this.