According to DS posters, LBC is quoting sources in Paris as saying France sees no point in the EU granting an extension "in the present circumstances" as the delay is just going on and on. Macron may veto any extension then but would be under immense pressure to capitulate by other members especially Ireland. Of course the circumstances would be different if a GE was called.

 

I can understand Macron's real frustration at all this as how many more extension's will we ask for?

 

Nobody wants to be seen as the one to be blamed for a ‘No Deal’ outcome, that is why Macron caved in April and will likely do so again... there has been remarkable unity from the EU27.

 

Patience is running out however, understandably so.

What´s going on? That´s TWO things we agree(albeit this one partially) in a week!

 

What´s happening? :o

 

 

Maybe we are half-brothers. :D :o :o

Let's also remind ourselves of how many old brexshitters died since then, so saying 17.4m, a minority anyway, is now totally disingenuous. And how many voted for a no deal when a Norway model was what was on offer anyway? And 45 million didn't vote for brexshit.

 

No vote result is revised on how many people have died or been added since it was held, so that is an irrelevance.

 

As for '45 million' not voting for it - that is a ridiculous number to quote, as it includes *everyone* including newborns! :rolleyes:

 

 

How many more times? Parliament legislated for an advisory referendum. The notes with it stated very clearly that it placed no obligations on the government whatsoever. They ruled out any threshold precisely because it made no sense in an advisory referendum. A statement in a leaflet cannot overrule Parliament.

 

But it sets a *moral* obligation to do what you promised, and in the eyes of the electorate, especially Leave voters, that is far stronger

than some legal technicality - and the population do not not easily forget such a betrayal!

Every referendum has small print which states it can be advisory but then no referendum would mean anything. The PM at the time called it as a Once in a lifetime vote which will be followed into the statute books that's the fact now and even the LDs don't argue that they just refuse to acknowledge any Brexit at all - they are the authoritarian party in this case!

WROOONG.

 

It was ADVISORY. Tories say a lot of dumb shit, but it doesn't supersede the law.

 

It was a 50 50 two nation split with little youth support and a lot of disenfranchised voters. It wasn't enough.

Why do the pro remain politicians not argue this? Only ever heard that arguement in here!

 

 

Why do the pro remain politicians not argue this? Only ever heard that arguement in here!

 

Because they don't want to admit that, legally, the Referendum wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

 

Because they don't want to admit that, legally, the Referendum wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

 

This.

 

Omg I am agreeing with vudcapper :o

This.

 

Omg I am agreeing with vudcapper :o

 

We agreed on that Lana Del Rey album too, don't forget. :P

 

However, while the referendum may have technically been advisory, even the most ardent of Remainer MP's has had enough sense not to claim it can be ignored simply for that reason.

Speaker Bercow to stand down at next election or after Commons sitting on 31st October, whichever comes first.

I appreciate my social circles are not representative but I know quite a few people who voted to leave. I’d say they are about 50/50 split on opinion, half feel betrayed by us not having left yet, the other half feel betrayed by the false promises and lack of information and wish they knew then what they know now.

 

Basically none of us are happy whether leave or remain!!! The whole thing is just beyond words as to the level of incompetence that has been displayed across the board.

We agreed on that Lana Del Rey album too, don't forget. :P

 

Obviously Lana’s new album >>>>> Brexit

I still think Boris and Cummings have something up their sleeves to take us out on 31st October. It was said on Westminster Hour on Radio 4 yesterday that Cummings has said "if people are surprised with what we've done so far, then they'll absolutely melt as what we have planned for the next few weeks" Let's hope they've thought of an ace card to get us out on Oct 31st as Boris promised.

I appreciate my social circles are not representative but I know quite a few people who voted to leave. I’d say they are about 50/50 split on opinion, half feel betrayed by us not having left yet, the other half feel betrayed by the false promises and lack of information and wish they knew then what they know now.

 

Basically none of us are happy whether leave or remain!!! The whole thing is just beyond words as to the level of incompetence that has been displayed across the board.

 

Likewise I know a a fair few people who voted Remain who are throwing their hair out at the current political situation. Again I tried to tell them that while I agree you should have No Deal on the negotiating table, it's quite clear that Boris wants to take us out with No Deal.

 

As I said the current situation is so extreme unless the Tories get a majority in a GE, we're likely to come down to a People's Vote with May's Deal/No Deal vs Revoke.

 

Be very interesting to see these No Deal papers tomorrow...

I still think Boris and Cummings have something up their sleeves to take us out on 31st October. It was said on Westminster Hour on Radio 4 yesterday that Cummings has said "if people are surprised with what we've done so far, then they'll absolutely melt as what we have planned for the next few weeks" Let's hope they've thought of an ace card to get us out on Oct 31st as Boris promised.

 

Can't see how they get us out without breaking the law.

Obviously Lana’s new album >>>>> Brexit

 

This!

Can't see how they get us out without breaking the law.

 

 

Remember though, as was pointed out on TV today, the new law doesn't actually say no to no deal. All it does, which surprises me, is compel the PM to ask for an extension, in good faith. If he asks but it's blocked then he's complied with the law and we leave by default. What's to stop him asking a poorer member to veto it? ;) Wouldn't put anything past them at present.

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Remember though, as was pointed out on TV today, the new law doesn't actually say no to no deal. All it does, which surprises me, is compel the PM to ask for an extension, in good faith. If he asks but it's blocked then he's complied with the law and we leave by default. What's to stop him asking a poorer member to veto it? ;) Wouldn't put anything past them at present.

 

So basically bribing a country like Poland to veto us? This is African dictator levels of mockery from a supposed democratic state! The EU votes in a block, if any power if going to veto it it will be Germany/France, but they won't because it is not in the interests of the EU to put another state at risk or be the cause of No Deal. The law states the governent either has to achieve a majority of No Deal (not going to happen), force a Deal through (could happen, tho I'd say highly unlikely at this stage) or ask for an extension.

 

Boris just spoken in the Commons and said again that he will not seek any extension. Seemed very angry and, dare I say it, a bit drunk. Maybe a glass too many with Varadkar? :o

Edited September 9, 20196 yr by Common Sense

Lmao him and Cummings need to GET THE f*** OUT OF PARLIAMENT AND 10 DOWNING STREET. WE DO NOT WANT DICTATORS.