Doubt Boris or Cummings want no deal either.

 

With Boris its Conservative Party strategy more than what he 'wants'. Of course he wants to keep the Conservative Party in power. He realises the only option is to go down this Hard Brexit route to try to, so he can reclaim support from the Brexit Party.

Crazy that people think a second election since the vote is more democratic as we ‘need to sort this situation’ rather than another referendum. It’s essentially just rethrowing the dice and hoping the number you need comes up.

 

If there is a clear mandate for leave, a referendum would not be an issue.

I´m not actually sure a 2nd referendum IS a good idea. The atmosphere across the country would be hideously toxic, and there is of course every possibility that leave would triumph again.

People voted to leave the EU. It was never stated that we would leave without a deal and half the country wanted to stay in anyway. Leaving without a deal is not by any definition the widely desired outcome and it has rightfully and democratically been stopped.

 

I'm an ardent remainer but I will gladly accept the result if time is taken to ensure we get the best deal with minimum damage to the economy, honestly at this stage, I think that would work better than cancelling Brexit (though in an ideal world, yes I would like that x). I'm not keen on a second referendum either as I can't imagine the result would be much different.

I´m not actually sure a 2nd referendum IS a good idea. The atmosphere across the country would be hideously toxic, and there is of course every possibility that leave would triumph again.

 

I would say there is very little chance Leave would win in a second referendum.

I'm an ardent remainer but I will gladly accept the result if time is taken to ensure we get the best deal with minimum damage to the economy honestly at this stage, I think that would work better than cancelling Brexit and mass riots providing it's done right.

 

THANK YOU. THIS.

 

 

I´m not actually sure a 2nd referendum IS a good idea. The atmosphere across the country would be hideously toxic, and there is of course every possibility that leave would triumph again.

 

I don't think it matters at this stage.

 

Leave Brexit with No Deal - civil unrest (probably longer term) - probably from both sides when people realise they can't buy even simple medication

2nd Referendum - civil unrest (probably very short term)

People voted to leave to EU. It was never stated that we would leave without a deal and half the country wanted to stay in anyway. Leaving without a deal is not by any definition the widely desired outcome and it has rightfully and democratically been stopped.

 

I'm an ardent remainer but I will gladly accept the result if time is taken to ensure we get the best deal with minimum damage to the economy honestly at this stage, I think that would work better than cancelling Brexit as much as I'd like that.

But there is no form of leaving that won't cause economic damage. The thought of what will happen when millions of Leave voters realise that leaving is not the panacea they were led to believe it will be is positively frightening.

I don't think it matters at this stage.

 

Leave Brexit with No Deal - civil unrest (probably longer term) - probably from both sides when people realise they can't buy even simple medication

2nd Referendum - civil unrest (probably very short term)

 

 

 

Fair point.

But there is no form of leaving that won't cause economic damage. The thought of what will happen when millions of Leave voters realise that leaving is not the panacea they were led to believe it will be is positively frightening.

 

 

Frustratingly I think a lot of them will still lay the blame with the EU.

 

I find as a nation we tend to be incredibly stubborn and don´t like to admit when we are wrong, even in grim circumstances.

Oh, and how come you still haven't accepted that the referendum was only advisory? The result placed no obligations whatsoever on anybody.

 

 

Was that made clear to the voters though? My OH says she never knew that and people I've told say they never knew that either.

Edited September 4, 20195 yr by Common Sense

I would say there is very little chance Leave would win in a second referendum.

 

 

Agreed. Remain would get a very clear majority imo, more than 10 points.

Was that made clear to the voters though? My OH says she never knew that and people I've told say they never knew that either.

That doesn't alter the fact that parliament voted to hold an advisory referendum. The fact that the Leave-supporting press all somehow forgot to report that doesn't make it less of a fact.

I don't think it matters at this stage.

 

Leave Brexit with No Deal - civil unrest (probably longer term) - probably from both sides when people realise they can't buy even simple medication

2nd Referendum - civil unrest (probably very short term)

 

 

I very much doubt there'd be civil unrest with a no deal. I think there may be when a lot of Brexiteers see that we're not leaving and get angry and frustrated. Glad we don't live near a High St with a lot of shops.

Now we're having a proper debate without name calling. As it should be. Where's Kath?

Agreed. Remain would get a very clear majority imo, more than 10 points.

Which surely suggests that a sensible government would abandon the whole nonsense - possibly after holding a referendum to give them an excuse. Doesn't that make you wonder whether Johnson and his cronies might have another reason for wanting to leave?

That doesn't alter the fact that parliament voted to hold an advisory referendum. The fact that the Leave-supporting press all somehow forgot to report that doesn't make it less of a fact.

 

 

I agree. Should have maybe been printed in big letters on the top of each ballot form!

I very much doubt there'd be civil unrest with a no deal. I think there may be when a lot of Brexiteers see that we're not leaving and get angry and frustrated. Glad we don't live near a High St with a lot of shops.

If the government's own assessment of the impact of No Deal is even half correct, there is a very high risk of civil unrest.

Which surely suggests that a sensible government would abandon the whole nonsense - possibly after holding a referendum to give them an excuse. Doesn't that make you wonder whether Johnson and his cronies might have another reason for wanting to leave?

 

 

Well they would abandon it if a 2nd vote was clearly for remain. Any Government would.

I agree. Should have maybe been printed in big letters on the top of each ballot form!

I'm not sure the Electoral Commission would have accepted that but they may have accepted a reference to the advisory nature somewhere.