So you tell me then Suedy. Why does he want No Deal so much? Well maybe he'd prefer a deal but why is he prepared to take us out without one on 31st if he possibly can?

Here are some possibilities.

 

1) Several of his chums stand to make huge sums of money if we leave without a deal. If that is his motivation, he is guilty of corruption.

 

2) New EU tax laws kick in on 1 January making it more difficult to hide wealth overseas. Among the people likely to be hit by that are Johnson and Mogg as well as many of their rich chums.

 

3) Since stepping down as PM, Theresa May has said that politics is just a game to the likes of Johnson/ He just wants to win regardless of the consequences for the country. He is rich enough not to be too bothered about that.

 

4) He's a fcuking idiot.

 

Take your pick.

What are our thoughts on this?

 

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She’s got to stay in the news somehow or people will forget she exists.

 

I don’t want Corbyn as caretaker PM. Defeats the purpose of the exercise imo. As already said, it needs to be someone who doesn’t have permanent designs on the office or a technocrat. Only reason they need to be in office is to extend article 50 and call an election. They need to be in office for like 5 hrs max. As far as I’m concerned I don’t care if it’s an MP or someone from Starbucks over the road

 

Well according to tomorrow's Times newspaper Boris will openly ask the EU to not grant an extension to A50 even if he asks for one. So he'll send the letter as he's compelled to do but wants them to then refuse an extension so we fall out on 31st with no deal. :o

 

No matter what you think of him folks, he's determined to get us out isn't he? You've got to admire his tenacity.

I save my admiration for the judge that locks him up for violating the Benn Act or the principled MPs standing up for our future and democracy by preventing a no deal.

 

There is no mandate for a no deal Brexit. They campaigned for a EFTA Brexit and that is what they got a mandate from the people for. Twisting that into a no deal Brexit is a greater betrayal of Brexit than delaying the exit date so that we avoid no deal ever could be

It's alright delaying the date but how long will we keep delaying? If the backstop is still the main stumbling block then how can it be solved? Answers on a postcard asap please to Boris at No.10.

 

I mean sooner or later it's going to have to be a second referendum, no deal or revoke A50. Half the population's fed up now. Many MP's are too and the EU must be getting to the end of it's tether too. If we get an extension until Jan. 31st I bet they won't then want to give us another unless it's to see the result of a second referendum.

Edited October 1, 20195 yr by Common Sense

Well this is the crux of the issue. We’re down a path we never should have been. Had they gone with their EFTA mandate we’d be out by now. Instead we’ve had years of wasted nonsense by an out of control tory party.

 

I agree that those are the options and I think that a second vote is the only viable option. A deal (or no deal) vs remain referendum would stop all of this. Either the people vote to throw themselves off the cliff or we retreat and hold our hands up that this was a waste of time.

 

The EU don’t want us to leave at all, so as long as we don’t start f***ing with the normal running of the place then they’ll keep extending. I think the longer this saga rolls on the more good it does the EU. All the continental sister movements to Brexit have collapsed on their arse over the past 3 years. Even Le Pen isn’t suggesting leaving the EU. The Italian loons want out of the Eurozone not the EU and even the literal neo Nazi AFD in Germany have backed down from calling for the exit from the EU

So you tell me then Suedy. Why does he want No Deal so much? Well maybe he'd prefer a deal but why is he prepared to take us out without one on 31st if he possibly can?

 

His backers have bet BILLIONS on the economy crashing. That's why. Follow the strings.

It's alright delaying the date but how long will we keep delaying? If the backstop is still the main stumbling block then how can it be solved? Answers on a postcard asap please to Boris at No.10.

 

I mean sooner or later it's going to have to be a second referendum, no deal or revoke A50. Half the population's fed up now. Many MP's are too and the EU must be getting to the end of it's tether too. If we get an extension until Jan. 31st I bet they won't then want to give us another unless it's to see the result of a second referendum.

 

It's in the EU's interest for us to stay in the EU. At this moment in time it is genuinely plausible we will still be in the EU. A No Deal scenario also puts an EU state at risk, so there is no way they would not grant an extension. I think we can safefly say at this point Boris and Cummings are about out of options.

It's alright delaying the date but how long will we keep delaying? If the backstop is still the main stumbling block then how can it be solved? Answers on a postcard asap please to Boris at No.10.

Thank you. You've finally highlighted that a Hard Brexit is unworkable.

 

and just because it's unworkable, doesn't mean we have to jump in front of a red double decker bus and suffer no deal.

According to Sky News Johnson has this evening said the leaked document to RTÉ is not his final official plan. If and when that official plan comes, it will be the last throw of the dice that Johnson makes.

 

He's also told Talk Radio that he will obey the Benn Act but that we're still leaving on Oct. 31st but won't say how he can do both.

 

 

Talk have just said that his plan will be delivered to the EU tomorrow and he has told them there'll be no further delay after 31st and that Brexit must now be done.

Edited October 1, 20195 yr by Common Sense

Sooo the real figure per week is apparently around 150£ million a week to the EU. Whoops. The economy benefits far more than that, plus culture and society which tou can't put a price on.

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Sooo the real figure per week is apparently around 150£ million a week to the EU. Whoops. The economy benefits far more than that, plus culture and society which tou can't put a price on.

 

 

Never mind all that. We voted OUT so must leave. BREXIT MUST BE DONE.

Nope. We voted TO STAY.

Sooo the real figure per week is apparently around 150£ million a week to the EU. Whoops. The economy benefits far more than that,

 

plus culture and society which tou can't put a price on.

 

How convenient... :rolleyes:

 

Nope. We voted TO STAY.

 

Which referendum were you watching? :lol:

How convenient... :rolleyes:

Which referendum were you watching? :lol:

Not ‘convenient’, just simple fact. We clearly benefit from free trade within the EU but it is impossible to be certain of the precise value of that benefit. Similarly, it is impossible to calculate the value of freeedom of movement of goods between the UK and the rest of the EU or the cost of the extra bureaucracy which may be involved in trading with the EU.

Not ‘convenient’, just simple fact. We clearly benefit from free trade within the EU but it is impossible to be certain of the precise value of that benefit. Similarly, it is impossible to calculate the value of freeedom of movement of goods between the UK and the rest of the EU or the cost of the extra bureaucracy which may be involved in trading with the EU.

 

The fact that the above can't be quantified, means that it is hard to use that as a basis for justifying stating in, especially as Remain have used equally challengable Leave statistics as a basis to attack their case.

 

At least you, unlike AQ, acknowledges the referendum result.

The fact that the above can't be quantified, means that it is hard to use that as a basis for justifying stating in, especially as Remain have used equally challengable Leave statistics as a basis to attack their case.

 

At least you, unlike AQ, acknowledges the referendum result.

There is little doubt that these are all benefits. The only contentious issue is the scale of those benefits.

 

As for Leave statistics, the only one anyone can remember is one of the biggest lies ever told in UK politics.

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Never mind all that. We voted OUT so must leave. BREXIT MUST BE DONE.

 

I know you're petulant and all, but would you please stop throwing your toys out of the pram? :rolleyes:

It's alright delaying the date but how long will we keep delaying?

 

Until we find a way to respect the result of the referendum without massively damaging the economy and putting peoples lives at risk(i.e. NOT leaving without a deal).

 

If the nutcases and racists want to riot, let them riot, let them throw their toys out of the pram. They don't represent the views of everybody in this country and they don't even represent the entire 17.4M.

 

We have to stop bowing to them and show them we are not scared of them.

As for Leave statistics, the only one anyone can remember is one of the biggest lies ever told in UK politics.

 

Odd, you don't usually go for such hyperbole - every GE campaign there are lies that big, or bigger - the only difference is that, unless you are elected, your lies don't catch up with you...

 

Odd, you don't usually go for such hyperbole - every GE campaign there are lies that big, or bigger - the only difference is that, unless you are elected, your lies don't catch up with you...

Would you care to provide some examples of bigger lies?

Just watching Politics live and apparently Boris is going to comply with the Benn law but he won't ask for another extension under any circumstances. No-one knows how he'll do both though. :rolleyes:

Edited October 2, 20195 yr by Common Sense