Well what a dilemma. Dianne Abbott's standing in for Corbyn at PMQ's. :wacko: So watch a car crash or watch Boris's speech?

Done some "secret pact" with the DUP apparently :rolleyes: Wonder how much it cost the country this time! And oops he purged his party and is a minority government even with the dup anyway.

Just watching Politics live and apparently Boris is going to comply with the Benn law but he won't ask for another extension under any circumstances. No-one knows how he'll do both though. :rolleyes:

 

An exercise in doublethink. Something his supporters should be well practiced in.

 

Well what a dilemma. Dianne Abbott's standing in for Corbyn at PMQ's. :wacko: So watch a car crash or watch Boris's speech?

 

Or, you could watch Diane Abbott.

Watch Dianne Abbott. You might leatn a thing or two about your far right posh Tories.

That speech was mostly a lot of nothing, as per.

 

He mentioned his disdain for the evils of socialism and then went on to say this about the NHS, 'the simple beauty of its principle that it doesn’t matter who you are or where you come from but when you are sick the whole country figuratively gathers at your bedside, and everybody pays to ensure that you have the best doctors and the best nurses'. Incredible.

Edited October 2, 20195 yr by blacksquare

Until we find a way to respect the result of the referendum without massively damaging the economy and putting peoples lives at risk(i.e. NOT leaving without a deal).

 

If the nutcases and racists want to riot, let them riot, let them throw their toys out of the pram. They don't represent the views of everybody in this country and they don't even represent the entire 17.4M.

 

We have to stop bowing to them and show them we are not scared of them.

 

I’m one of those people that agrees the referendum vote should be respected. The problem is people voted for Leave for there to be more opportunities, more money for the NHS, controlled immigration etc. All of which the leave campaign said would be totally easy to comprehend. Sorry to name drop you Chris, but it has created people like you who just want Brexit done but don’t really understand the wider ramifications of economic suicide.

 

If we’d just gone for a soft Brexit approach none of this would have happened, but the original 2016 just created a bunch of fantasists who want something which isn’t achievable logistically without breaking up the Union. Of which I am sure there are many people who don’t give two cahoots about the reunification of Ireland but IMO that will happen if we leave with No Deal.

What result - 50/50?

Done some "secret pact" with the DUP apparently :rolleyes: Wonder how much it cost the country this time! And oops he purged his party and is a minority government even with the dup anyway.

 

 

Heard too that it's something to do with the DUP but if the EU don't agree to it then it'll never even reach Parliament to be voted on and even with them he'd be short of a majority. The Irish PM has already said he won't support it so it's dead before Boris even tells them the finer details later today. :rolleyes:

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He's screaming accept ma deal or no deal!! to the Eau. He seems to forget he will be sacked or jailed if he doesn't follow the legal responsibility of getting an extension oops.

Oh come on EU, accept this and let's get it over and done with for goodness sake.

Heard too that it's something to do with the DUP but if the EU don't agree to it then it'll never even reach Parliament to be voted on and even with them he'd be short of a majority. The Irish PM has already said he won't support it so it's dead before Boris even tells them the finer details later today. :rolleyes:

Or, to put it another way, he is continuing to say "Give me what I want or I will continue to drive my Robin Reliant at full pelt towards your juggernaut".

Oh come on EU, accept this and let's get it over and done with for goodness sake.

 

WROOONG. IT WOULD NOT END EIYH A HARD BREXSHIT. IT EAS A 50/50 SPLIT FOR STARTERS.

 

Oh come on EU, accept this and let's get it over and done with for goodness sake.

First, why should Ireland accept a deal they think will be bad for them? Second, do you seriously think this whole thing will be over if we leave at the end of the month?

I’m one of those people that agrees the referendum vote should be respected. The problem is people voted for Leave for there to be more opportunities, more money for the NHS, controlled immigration etc. All of which the leave campaign said would be totally easy to comprehend. Sorry to name drop you Chris, but it has created people like you who just want Brexit done but don’t really understand the wider ramifications of economic suicide.

 

If we’d just gone for a soft Brexit approach none of this would have happened, but the original 2016 just created a bunch of fantasists who want something which isn’t achievable logistically without breaking up the Union. Of which I am sure there are many people who don’t give two cahoots about the reunification of Ireland but IMO that will happen if we leave with No Deal.

 

That's what a referendum does it creates 2 polarising sides unfortunately.

 

People voted for so many different reasons hence why no agreement can be achieved through parliament especially when the HOC is so full of people who are ardent remainers and will use this fact to make sure no agreement is possible. But the argument that people voted to leave for more opportunities and this will not happen is just people trying to rerun the referendum campaign and using it as a reason not to leave at all. Brexit is a constitutional change which rearranges Britain's relationship with Europe and markets.

 

No constitutional change through history would ever occur if this argument had been used. I always use the Irish analogy in 1921, Irish freedom which the majority wanted at this time would obviously create a population which would have lesser living standards in the short term but that didn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do in fact in the longer term it liberated many parts of Irish society for the better.

 

So the constitutional and democratic mandate demanded by the people should be first and foremost and the economic debate should be reorganised as best as possible following this.

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First, why should Ireland accept a deal they think will be bad for them? Second, do you seriously think this whole thing will be over if we leave at the end of the month?

 

 

No but at least we'd have left. I'm afraid, really afraid now after the Benn Act, that we never will.

We shouldn't. 50 50 2 nation split, no youth support. It's not enough.

We shouldn't. 50 50 2 nation split, no youth support. It's not enough.

 

 

All the young ones were too lazy to get out of bed and go to vote. :rolleyes:

That speech was mostly a lot of nothing, as per.

 

He mentioned his disdain for the evils of socialism and then went on to say this about the NHS, 'the simple beauty of its principle that it doesn’t matter who you are or where you come from but when you are sick the whole country figuratively gathers at your bedside, and everybody pays to ensure that you have the best doctors and the best nurses'. Incredible.

 

 

I agree. He didn't say a lot. Not much substance really. It's getting lukewarm reactions from journalists. :(

 

Let's hope it's not his last speech as leader.

All the young ones were too lazy to get out of bed and go to vote. :rolleyes:

 

Wrooong. Brexshit has no mandate. Sorry mwaa :(

Oh come on EU, accept this and let's get it over and done with for goodness sake.

 

Give over with the action for action's sake, it's the preserve of the idiot and those who are ensnared by an outcome no matter the realism of attaining such outcome.

 

That's what a referendum does it creates 2 polarising sides unfortunately.

 

People voted for so many different reasons hence why no agreement can be achieved through parliament especially when the HOC is so full of people who are ardent remainers and will use this fact to make sure no agreement is possible. But the argument that people voted to leave for more opportunities and this will not happen is just people trying to rerun the referendum campaign and using it as a reason not to leave at all. Brexit is a constitutional change which rearranges Britain's relationship with Europe and markets.

 

No constitutional change through history would ever occur if this argument had been used. I always use the Irish analogy in 1921, Irish freedom which the majority wanted at this time would obviously create a population which would have lesser living standards in the short term but that didn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do in fact in the longer term it liberated many parts of Irish society for the better.

 

So the constitutional and democratic mandate demanded by the people should be first and foremost and the economic debate should be reorganised as best as possible following this.

 

This is twisted. Not all constitutional change is created equal and the EU were absolutely not doing to us what Britain a century ago was doing to Ireland.

 

Rooney's right in that most people voted on their own economic view which is flawed and from a bad perspective; entirely possible for them to have got it wrong. Nations should not be bound to follow destructive courses because of some blind appeal to a snapshot in time.

 

You know that if the Brexiteers in Parliament had not tried to force through their favoured outcome of profiting off disaster, we'd have embarked upon a soft Brexit. Which is not commendable at all, at least the other MPs voted it down because it was strictly worse than what Britain has now, which is commendable.