So why didn't more young people vote then? Why didn't Universities involve students more in politics and try to persuade them to vote in the referendum? Hardly my fault if more older people voted and out won is it. We had 2 votes out of 17 million.

We can’t speak about all leave voters being racists but I can speak about the voting motivation of every young person in the UK 🤔

 

I don’t know why more young people didn’t vote, it irks me that more didn’t given the closeness of the vote. I know that a great number of people who are old enough and smart enough to know better got hoodwinked by the mindless propaganda of the gutter press. I hold all 17.4m equally responsible for this failure. My parents also voted leave. We’ve had choice words.

We can’t speak about all leave voters being racists but I can speak about the voting motivation of every young person in the UK 🤔

 

I don’t know why more young people didn’t vote, it irks me that more didn’t given the closeness of the vote. I know that a great number of people who are old enough and smart enough to know better got hoodwinked by the mindless propaganda of the gutter press. I hold all 17.4m equally responsible for this failure. My parents also voted leave. We’ve had choice words.

 

 

Just as a matter of interest, what were your parents' reasons for voting leave? Just wonder if they were the same as ours and the other people around where I live who all voted leave. All Nita's friends also voted leave. I don't have any friends which may not surprise you.

My opinion is that we should leave the EU as soon as possible. I'm far from being alone in that viewpoint. Maybe not many Brexiteers here.

 

Anyway I am virtually resigned to the fact that we will never leave now. :(

We know that is your opinion but you have not in three years been able to tell us *why* you think we should leave as soon as possible. Even if that means leaving without a deal and willfully crashing the economy

 

That you are not alone does not make you right. A fool can always find a friend.

 

An outcome that is in the best interests of our country for the long term. I don’t trust Johnson in the slightest so am dedicating all of my energy to understanding what that means for my new job and emigration

We know that is your opinion but you have not in three years been able to tell us *why* you think we should leave as soon as possible. Even if that means leaving without a deal and willfully crashing the economy

 

I HAVE. Lots of times and everyone I know who voted leave says the same without me telling them first. 1. Less European immigrants so less pressure on our health, housing etc and 2. We save what we presently pay in to the EU. Is that clear enough for you?

Just as a matter of interest, what were your parents' reasons for voting leave? Just wonder if they were the same as ours and the other people around where I live who all voted leave. All Nita's friends also voted leave. I don't have any friends which may not surprise you.

Immigration (we live in town surrounded by farms who have quite a few staff from Eastern Europe) and the standard Daily Mail Eurosceptic talking points. I grew up reading the Daily Mail, it was the only paper in our house growing up. It was quite quickly a banned subject in our house. Politically I am pretty much the opposite of them.

 

Bet me growing up reading the daily Hitler will be a surprise

Immigration (we live in town surrounded by farms who have quite a few staff from Eastern Europe) and the standard Daily Mail Eurosceptic talking points. I grew up reading the Daily Mail, it was the only paper in our house growing up. It was quite quickly a banned subject in our house. Politically I am pretty much the opposite of them

 

 

You see, immigration, same as my reason. Asked my cousin in Barnsley today her reason for voting out and was the same word.

I HAVE. Lots of times and everyone I know who voted leave says the same without me telling them first. 1. Less European immigrants so less pressure on our health, housing etc and 2. We save what we presently pay in to the EU. Is that clear enough for you?

That is better. Yes.

 

Regarding 1

 

Do you accept that this country needs immigrants in order to fill the job vacancies our growing economy creates and to fill skills shortages in places such as the health service?

 

 

Further to that, why do you level all of the blame at the door of immigration and not apportion any blame to austerity?

 

 

On 2, we pay around 1.4% of our budget to the EU. In return at least half of that comes back to us in the form of grants for research, subsidies for farming and in regional development funding for poor parts of the country. All of this is funds that need to be replaced from somewhere. Why do you not feel like we get value for money from our EU member fees? What would you have us spend the money on instead? Finally, why focus on the member fees but ignore the intangible value it brings in terms of frictionless trade?

You see, immigration, same as my reason. Asked my cousin in Barnsley today her reason for voting out and was the same word.

And as I have told them and you repeatedly - we do not apply rules that would allow us to control freedom of movement properly. Do you accept that it is the fault of the UK government and not the EU for failing to put the appropriate framework in place to handle free movement?

The tragic thing is that if leaving the EU reduces immigration at all, it will be for the wrong reasons. It will be because a weaker economy will make the UK a less attractive destination for would-be immigrants.

I wish you'd stop going on about the different nations. :rolleyes: We are ONE NATION at present, the UNITED KINGDOM and it was a joint vote for all regions. I know Scotland voted to remain but it doesn't count as it's the result as a whole that counted. In fact they'd have been better not saying how different towns, cities and regions voted.

 

Scotland is a COUNTRY, not a region. Forcing COUNTRIES out the EU bevause of masisve population disparity is f***in vile. If it were a BINDING VOTE, IT WOULD NEED 3 NARIONS AND IF IT WERE BINDING IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED DUE TO LEAVE LIES!!

 

You see, immigration, same as my reason. Asked my cousin in Barnsley today her reason for voting out and was the same word.

 

And yet immigration WOULD CONTINUE AT JUST AS HIGH OR HIGHER LEVELS THAN BEFORE BUT FROM TURKEY, LOL, CHINA, INDIA ETC!!

Guys Chris makes the points why he wants to leave the EU and fair enough. There are probably millions of other people with the same view point. I respect Chris' views and it's where the Remain side failed because they couldn't tap emotively.

 

For every £ the UK contributes to the EU we ge the majority of it back. Plus it all adds up to other benefits such as easy travel, good for the business. It's just a shame that the vote came after austerity as no-one has ever really been bothered about it before. And similarly immigration - this was the heartbeat of the leave campaign. We need immigration to survive, especially retail and hospitality.

 

I mean of course Chris is wrong about his points and his fears have been tapped in to, but I understand why he voted out.

Mutterings from the EU then tonight.

 

Mutterings from the EU:

+ Finally, a legal text from UK

- NI assembly veto

+ Reg alignment & ECJ oversight of reg alignment

- Not legally operative, doesn't meet objectives of backstop

- UK demanding EU changes its rules for them

 

Ireland made a strong intervention , position has not changed

 

Overall consensus, EU will continue to study document overnight and tomorrow.

 

Also Boris Johnson's senior aides have ordered all Tory MPs to call the EU 'crazy' if it rejects their new Brexit proposals

 

Internal memo sent tonight reveals how the govt plans to blame Brussels for 'ending negotiations' if talks break down

Also Boris Johnson's senior aides have ordered all Tory MPs to call the EU 'crazy' if it rejects their new Brexit proposals

 

Internal memo sent tonight reveals how the govt plans to blame Brussels for 'ending negotiations' if talks break down

 

The proposal is shite and there is no way the EU approve it. It's all for the domestic show and an upcoming general election which fits the rhetoric of 'The EU is a dictatorship'.

WHICH WE PREDICTED MONTHS AND MONTHS AGO!!!

The Stormont assembly will vote on this new backstop every 5 years 😂

The proposal is shite and there is no way the EU approve it. It's all for the domestic show and an upcoming general election which fits the rhetoric of 'The EU is a dictatorship'.

 

Yep :') And all the fanatical leavers will of course fall for the charade.

The Telegraph, predictably, blames the Irish PM Leo Varadkar for everything.

 

The @Telegraph conclusion this evening: “Leo Varadkar, the Taoiseach, is now the main obstacle standing in the way of Britain leaving the EU with a deal on Oct 31.”

 

 

He's not the only one though as other EU countries are hinting tonight that it's a load of crap.

Edited October 2, 20195 yr by Common Sense

Imagine the Irish Taoiseach having an opinion on something that'll affect all aspects of the governance of our island!!