Soo the hard right Brexshit lot with desert the Tories in droves, just like I thought feom the comments I'd seen! :rofl: When the architect of Brexshit says the deal is terrible, well! That's the kiss of death to the deal. I have suspected for some time that Farage wants to stay in, rail against the establishment, yet cash his checks from rich leavers and from the EU parliament AND stay relevant.

Barnier said it's a decent deal and Boris says it's a good one. They can't all be wrong.

 

Well of course the EU are going to say it's a good deal, it's essentially the same Deal as the last one with that massive severence payout still attached... also if we ask for an extension, we will get one. Always makes me chuckle that people will take the word of an "unelected bureact" when it suits the,.

 

It's going to be ultra close to going through. Depends on Corbyn's stance imo and how he can persuade others not to vote for it. Probably needs double digit rebels... Find it funny that Farage would rather have an extension than this Deal, which probably tells you how bad it is.

It's going to be ultra close to going through.

 

 

Certainly is. The FT is saying he's within 2 votes of getting it through on just one vote but MP's can change their mind after the debate.

 

He needs to promise some Labour MP's some extra money for their constituency. ;)

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I wonder if when Labour gets in, and negotiate for a soft Noreay style Brexshit, if rhey should include Farage - even just a little. The deal will be soft brexshit, but let him get press and feel like he's influencing it

Then when the deal comes, he supports it, and onto a 2nd ref. That's assuming he just doesn't want to leave to keep his job, which comes with a lifetime pension, of course.

I wonder if when Labour gets in, and negotiate for a soft Noreay style Brexshit, if rhey should include Farage - even just a little. The deal will be soft brexshit, but let him get press and feel like he's influencing it

Then when the deal comes, he supports it, and onto a 2nd ref. That's assuming he just doesn't want to leave to keep his job, which comes with a lifetime pension, of course.

 

 

Some on DS are predicting that if this passes then Labour MP's may move against Corbyn and get Thornberry or Starmer in. They know he's an election liability and Boris can say he successfully got a Brexit deal. Landslide Beckons.

You know this is a monumentally shite deal when even Nigel Farage has stopped talking about No Deal and is begging for an extension and a general election to get rid of it

This deal would mean the END of the country as it is. The screams of "Terrk berrk contwerrl" and "gerr err country berrk" really meant take us back to the authoritarian 1400s as little olf England vs everyone else.

 

With this deal:

 

Indie Scotland

Ireland reunited

Gibraltar goes bye bye

Have to share the Fawklands

Wales has a referendum

 

Oh dear.

This deal would mean the END of the country as it is. The screams of "Terrk berrk contwerrl" and "gerr err country berrk" really meant take us back to the authoritarian 1400s as little olf England vs everyone else.

 

With this deal:

 

Indie Scotland

Ireland reunited

Gibraltar goes bye bye

Have to share the Fawklands

Wales has a referendum

 

Oh dear.

 

 

We're a long long way from a united Ireland and a breakaway of Scotland.

Troll.

 

 

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Had to be done! It's so obvious he's trolling.

 

 

The reason Farage is now against the deal? The moment the UK leaves the EU (if it ever does), his political career and his meal-ticket will end there and then and his will fade into welcome obscurity. I'm not saying that's a good reason to hope the deal comes through, but it's a tiny daisy in the manure pat of Brexit.

 

I'm in London on Saturday for a wedding. Looks like I chose a brilliant time to be there.

From BBC News.

 

 

Can Boris Johnson win the vote?

 

The winning post for votes in the House of Commons is 320 if everyone turns up - seven Sinn Fein MPs don't sit and the Speaker and three deputies don't vote.

 

There are currently 287 voting Conservative MPs. The prime minister needs to limit any rebellion among them.

 

Then, if the DUP won't support his deal, he'll need the backing of 23 former Conservative MPs who are currently independents. Most will probably support the deal, but not all.

 

That's still not quite enough, though, so the PM will also need the backing of some Labour MPs and ex-Labour independents. In March, when MPs voted on Theresa May's deal for the third time, five Labour MPs backed it, plus two ex-Labour independents.

 

This time it's likely to be a bit higher than that because several MPs have said they would now back a deal.

 

All this still leaves the vote very close. And it's possible some MPs could abstain, making it even harder to predict the outcome.

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Certainly is. The FT is saying he's within 2 votes of getting it through on just one vote but MP's can change their mind after the debate.

 

He needs to promise some Labour MP's some extra money for their constituency. ;)

 

The problem for Labour is you are stuck behind a rock and a hard place. Johnson has made a good strategic move, but I am not sure it will help him in a general election. He might stop Lib Dems winning so many seats, but he won't pick up all the Brexit vote.

The reason Farage is now against the deal? The moment the UK leaves the EU (if it ever does), his political career and his meal-ticket will end there and then and his will fade into welcome obscurity. I'm not saying that's a good reason to hope the deal comes through, but it's a tiny daisy in the manure pat of Brexit.

 

I'm in London on Saturday for a wedding. Looks like I chose a brilliant time to be there.

 

He's biting the hand that feeds him! Whoops.

We're a long long way from a united Ireland and a breakaway of Scotland.

You’re less than a year away from a successful vote for Scotland repealing the Act of Union and re-establishing itself as an independent European nation

Don't say that Kath. Makes me sad. Maybe you're depressed and need to see your GP.

 

Most normal ordinary people like you and me won't be affected and won't even know we've left. What are you specifically worried about?

 

I thank you for your concern ... however I feel the best remedy for my depression is working full time!

 

Oh, and the EU has now left the door open for a further extension.

Oh, and the EU has now left the door open for a further extension.

 

 

Won't be needed but a short one may be to get the legislation passed through all 27 EU countries.

If you think 28 countries can do a full legal ratification of this in 2 weeks you’re an even bigger idiot than I thought you were

Looking at the Deal it seems worse than May's Deal. I do think in the end it will come down to the Labour voting MPs in their areas. Right now it's touch and go but there's what, about 36 hours to convince people? I think it might happen, by the skin of the teeth.

 

Problem is the Deal itself goes against Labour values so imo it's short sighted to vote for the Deal- leaves the UK with coordinated chaos, but the Ireland member state should be OK.

If you think 28 countries can do a full legal ratification of this in 2 weeks you’re an even bigger idiot than I thought you were

 

 

Did you not see my post above yours? A short extension will still be needed.