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Gulp. That’s a hella number for Scotland in comparison to rUK. Usual caveats on sub samples apply.

Can we by this finally put to bed the propaganda idea that 'stupid working class northerners' were the *main* Brexit push demographic, rather than comfortable,,retired southerners in rural areas with rose-tinted glasses.

Edited January 28, 20205 yr by Jüpiter👑

I'm surprised no-one has drawn attention to this...

 

Independence Day will expose Brexit as a ruse to free an imaginary nation

Fintan O'Toole

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...maginary-nation

 

Hi x

 

 

Demographics and polling data. 80% of the youth do not want your brexshit. This is damning. Two COUNTRIES of four do not want it. This is damning.

 

An article on how brexshit has ignited the fires of nationalism, but how brexiters think those will somehow magically be contained to the current UK borders:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...EGlOF_LgaEWzXN8

 

Like it says, if nationalism and the outdated 1800s model of the nation state is seen as of paramount importance, then what is to stop the Scottish Welsh northern Irish and London people from expressing their own nationalism? The fires are lit. The UK has destroyed the idea of itself by attacking the EU. The EU is a macro model of a FAAAAAR FREER UK anyway.

 

There you go. Must have missed it eh?

 

Also, that poll is very interesting. I assume the north swing comes from the big cities like Manchester, Newcastle, etc, unless Manchester is in the Midlands poll? I would like to see the Wales/ midland split as well. Scotland's numbers align well with the typical European percentages. The brexshit rush to gloat, rub it in and seize 100% of the power on 50% of the vote, even after promising something else, has just alienated Scotland, divided the country even more, and been unbelievably toxic. You got 50%. Do what you promised - a Norway model. That is compromise! The break up of the UK is ALL on brexshit.

Can we by this finally put to bed the propaganda idea that 'stupid working class northerners' were the *main* Brexit push demographic, rather than comfortable,,retired southerners in rural areas with rose-tinted glasses.

 

I just hope the Brexit debates tail off after January 31st so we can move onto new subjects. :mellow:

I just hope the Brexit debates tail off after January 31st so we can move onto new subjects. :mellow:

 

Not going to happen, and this is all brexshit's fault for seizing 100% of the power on 50% of the vote. If it were a compromise, Norway model, you'd probably have your wish. As is, nope, and that's what happens when you ignore 50% of the vote, and now the majority, and the youth, of the country. Oops. Oh, and go back on your word about remaining in the single market.

I just hope the Brexit debates tail off after January 31st so we can move onto new subjects. :mellow:

 

It may disappear from the front page for a bit but the UK's exit from the EU will be an ongoing issue for some time. Especially as more and more people realize the implications of doing so. Especially under someone as reactionary and reckless as Boris Johnson.

It may disappear from the front page for a bit but the UK's exit from the EU will be an ongoing issue for some time. Especially as more and more people realize the implications of doing so. Especially under someone as reactionary and reckless as Boris Johnson.

 

 

At least there won't be the question of will we or won't we.

It may disappear from the front page for a bit but the UK's exit from the EU will be an ongoing issue for some time. Especially as more and more people realize the implications of doing so. Especially under someone as reactionary and reckless as Boris Johnson.

 

I don't see Reactionary as a perjorative term myself - there's something to be said for tradition, after all.

I don't see Reactionary as a perjorative term myself - there's something to be said for tradition, after all.

 

And the 1800s model of the European nation state is an utter failure and resulted in war after war and continued imperialism. Returning to that model in the 2000s is a joke.

I don't see Reactionary as a perjorative term myself - there's something to be said for tradition, after all.

 

If history has showed us anything, it's that forceably trying to cling to the past and become protectionist never works out for a state in the long run. It may satisfy oldies and near-deads but eventually younger generations who have to live with it will strive for something better, and they will here too, eventually.

Edited January 28, 20205 yr by mald487

Reactionary politics is the friction of historical progress, it only serves to delay at the expense of those who suffer under old 'traditions'. Give me an example of tradition that reactionary politics would defend that's good.

 

Anyway, that poll is interesting, I hadn't quite appreciated that there was a difference in North England, the media have done a good job of convincing otherwise, and the Scottish number is quite amazing, making that one very clear.

Reactionary politics is the friction of historical progress, it only serves to delay at the expense of those who suffer under old 'traditions'. Give me an example of tradition that reactionary politics would defend that's good.

 

The UK's unwritten constitution, for example.

And we saw recently that having an unwritten constitution is grounds for problems. We have the most authoritarian government in Europe now and a constitutional crisis every other week.

Wow love the Brexit song. This should be No.1. on Friday.

 

And we saw recently that having an unwritten constitution is grounds for problems. We have the most authoritarian government in Europe now and a constitutional crisis every other week.

 

Exaggeration as usual.

If history has showed us anything, it's that forceably trying to cling to the past and become protectionist never works out for a state in the long run. It may satisfy oldies and near-deads but eventually younger generations who have to live with it will strive for something better, and they will here too, eventually.

 

Nor does being too extreme - the French Revolution for example.

 

There has to be a balance between the two - and when you can be accused of a hate crime for using the 'wrong' gender pronoun, that is not a sign of a healthy society. :no:

Edited January 29, 20205 yr by vidcapper

Nor does being too extreme - the French Revolution for example.

 

There has to be a balance between the two - and when you can be accused of a hate crime for using the 'wrong' gender pronoun, that is not a sign of a healthy society. :no:

If you show enough respect to use the correct gender pronouns then there is no problem whatsoever. It doesn’t have anything to do with you and takes no effort in the slightest. You need to just deal with the fact not everyone is cis, sis. Put that energy into hating remainers instead!

I wouldn't myself use the watershed moment that ensured the ideas of the Enlightenment would start to be used and began the end of monarchism as a failure of progressive politics.

 

and for the love of god, you can't do a hate crime by using the wrong pronouns, just try to be good to people. It's far less of a healthy society when people are being mocked such that their mental health goes awry and they are put in danger for being who they are just because some pedants (who are wrong) have their traditionalist dictionaries and GCSE biology textbooks out that says nothing can ever change. It's needless othering.

Nor does being too extreme - the French Revolution for example.

 

There has to be a balance between the two - and when you can be accused of a hate crime for using the 'wrong' gender pronoun, that is not a sign of a healthy society. :no:

 

What a ridiculous statement, and dare I say with the use of the quotation marks around wrong rather baiting.

 

Firstly, if you mistakenly use the wrong pronoun then you apologize and use the correct one moving forward. No drama, no hate crime.

 

Secondly, if you make a conscious effort to refer to somebody who goes by 'he' as 'she' for example, then that is on YOU and you ARE in the wrong.

 

Mental and physical gender are two completely different things. You cannot force the mental to align with the physical. People who decide to live their life as the opposite gender(reassignment or not) to the one they were born into are not doing it for fun, y'know? You think they put up with the finger pointing, harassment and much much worse just to get attention?

 

If after all that pain and suffering you can't recognize that refusing to

acknowledge them as they want to be seen then that IS hateful.

 

To admins, sorry for going off topic 😂😂

 

 

 

 

 

If you show enough respect to use the correct gender pronouns then there is no problem whatsoever. It doesn’t have anything to do with you and takes no effort in the slightest. You need to just deal with the fact not everyone is cis, sis. Put that energy into hating remainers instead!

 

Debating how many genders there are is a taboo subject - I've learned not to even *attempt* to start a thread on it as I'd get accused of trolling, or on other matters that 'progressives' seem to consider sacred. :mellow:

 

Also, I don't hate Remainers, although some seem to hate me for no reason other than I will no longer debate with them.

 

Back to the point - I'm talking of a situation where a trans person looks androgenous, and you make an honest mistake, *not* a deliberate attempt to offend.