Which ones? And as a response to vile late stage capitalism yes? I think being a fascist is worse than believing in economic equality. Sorry bout it!

 

Economic equality is a pipe dream - it destroys the incentive to work at both ends of the scale - the unskilled put in no effort because they know the state will make up any shortfall, and the highly skilled will have little incentive to work hard because they know the state will appropriate the fruits of their efforts.

 

Given what actual communist regimes were up to in the 1970s Michael, I will kindly suggest that defending those who supported such regimes at this time is not a hill you want to die on.

 

Although I would be interested to hear which current Labour members vidcapper claims were card-carrying communists in the 70s.

 

I withdraw that allegation, as long as mere hearsay allegations against Tories as being former fascists are also acknowledged as such. :mellow:

Communism doesn't begin and end with the tragedies caused by dictators presiding over low-tech communism (and in most cases what was simply state-enforced capitalism branded as communism) in the 20th century. Nor is it simply everyone gets paid the same. That's a very common misconception.

 

Treating it as an antithesis of fascism where both extremes are equally bad is something that always gets me. Fascism/Nazism is an exclusionary ideology that only wants to make things better for one group of people. It can never be rehabilitated into being mainstream acceptable. Communism... can. In theory, communism wants to make the lives of the entire....well, community better. I don't believe that up until now, that has been achievable and I don't even think it is achievable now, hence I'm not a communist now, but it can be in the future.

 

Because Vid's assessment of economic equality above is fine (in a transactional society where money is important, of course it won't work) but it doesn't have to be that way. It misses out the important detail of self-actualisation. We don't need everyone to work and we certainly won't in the future. Not everyone is going to have the same desire to work and that is fine, but plenty will for their own benefit and they would be rewarded according to the value they provide.

 

Farage is not standing 600 candidates after all - claims there would be a hung parliament if he did so and the result of their standing would be Lib Dem gains. He's right but FFS.

A surprising move by Farage - you’d have thought that he would’ve wanted Boris’ deal to fail as his relevance is linked to Brexit still being on the table.

 

I don’t think that this is the big failure for Labour/Lib Dems as you may think. Having the Brexit Party standing in all seats might have encouraged ‘social loafing’ by their activists in places where they assumed that BP would eat the Tory vote (something which I have always cautioned - people’s voting patterns are more malleable and predictable than people think). With the BP out of the picture, they are now more likely to campaign harder in Tory held seats, which could be the difference between a Lab/Lib seat or a Tory seat.

Farage is not standing 600 candidates after all - claims there would be a hung parliament if he did so and the result of their standing would be Lib Dem gains. He's right but FFS.

 

Oh dear.

 

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That pound shop Enoc Powell can never be trusted.

He only did this as he was collapsing in the polls on 10%. This was to save face whilst getting concessions from Bojo. Bojo and the Tories are so desperate they have BBTory running propaganda overtime and keeping the gaffe machine Russian pm away from the public.

 

The problem we have on the left is the Lib Dems elected ego maniac Jo Swinston, who is as big a Tory as any Tory. She refuses to step aside in any constituency. Sigh. Delusional.

Labour incumbents in Labour-Tory marginals will probably be happy, it's true. I guess the biggest help for the Leave Alliance will be current Conservative marginals that would have a strong Leave vote. So helps the Conservatives defensively but not offensively.

 

looks like we are getting a classic 'vote Boris, get Farage' campaign out now from senior Labour/Lib figures, every cloud

He only did this as he was collapsing in the polls on 10%. This was to save face whilst getting concessions from Bojo. Bojo and the Tories are so desperate they have BBTory running propaganda overtime and keeping the gaffe machine Russian pm away from the public.

 

The problem we have on the left is the Lib Dems elected ego maniac Jo Swinston, who is as big a Tory as any Tory. She refuses to step aside in any constituency. Sigh. Delusional.

Would you care to list the constituencies where Labour have offered to stand down? The Remain Alliance approached Labour. Labour weren’t interested.

Labour is the largest party in it. Like Tories, they should only stand aside in the constutiencies where they have zero, zero chance, as the press would savage them. It has be the Lib Dems that make the first moves.

 

People are saying that according to game theory, it's good for Labour, as it still splits the Tory Brexshit vote where it matters!

I do agree that it doesn’t make sense to not step down where the Tories are competitive as well. In my parents constituency, Blyth Valley, it is historically Labour but with a high leave vote. If the Brexit Party don’t stand down they are hindering the Conservatives chance to win that seat.

Farage has forgotten the stats which show he pulled from Tories and Labour equally :rofl: God he's awful. A BBTory-grown monster.

Labour is the largest party in it. Like Tories, they should only stand aside in the constutiencies where they have zero, zero chance, as the press would savage them. It has be the Lib Dems that make the first moves.

 

People are saying that according to game theory, it's good for Labour, as it still splits the Tory Brexshit vote where it matters!

At the risk of being repetitive and boring, the Remain Alliance approached Labour. Labour were not interested. That's even before you consider how Remain-leaning Tories would vote if the choice was restricted to Tory or Labour with no Lib Dem candidate.

And yet Lib Dems were also not interested, as their leader thinks she will win.

 

I like what the Labour chairman called Bojo and Farage: a 1980s Thatcher tribute act.

This is why the Tories decided to a pact with Farage, which they had spent months promising they wouldn't do lol (although who would believe a cheap tory promise with an iq above 50 remains a question):

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/kevi...rVIjRMlLVhr1Erc

A surprising move by Farage - you’d have thought that he would’ve wanted Boris’ deal to fail as his relevance is linked to Brexit still being on the table.

 

I don’t think that this is the big failure for Labour/Lib Dems as you may think. Having the Brexit Party standing in all seats might have encouraged ‘social loafing’ by their activists in places where they assumed that BP would eat the Tory vote (something which I have always cautioned - people’s voting patterns are more malleable and predictable than people think). With the BP out of the picture, they are now more likely to campaign harder in Tory held seats, which could be the difference between a Lab/Lib seat or a Tory seat.

 

But surely TBP votes are far more like to be mostly Tory, than UKIP ones were?

 

The problem we have on the left is the Lib Dems elected ego maniac Jo Swinston, who is as big a Tory as any Tory. She refuses to step aside in any constituency. Sigh. Delusional.

 

Even the new Speakers constituency?

 

Farage has forgotten the stats which show he pulled from Tories and Labour equally :rofl: God he's awful. A BBTory-grown monster.

 

Surely those stats referred to UKIP, and if so, can't necessarily be projected onto TBP. :unsure:

They're the same party.

And yet Lib Dems were also not interested, as their leader thinks she will win.

 

I like what the Labour chairman called Bojo and Farage: a 1980s Thatcher tribute act.

Wrong again. The Lib Dems are part of the Remain Alliance. Labour were invited to join, but declined. You are getting as bad as Chris at ignoring facts.

They're the same party.

 

How can they be - UKIP still exist as a separate entity from the Brexit Party.

On a side issue, if the Brexit Party are indeed not standing against Tories, I am now f*cked, as I appear to have no-one left to vote for. :o