From reports I'm seeing, Warren got 9$ million out of agreeing to stay in the race until after super tuesday. That's all her morals and progressive policies cost. That's if we believe she really is a progressive.

 

 

Would you honestly turn down 9 million dollars though? She's spent a lot on her campaign so recoups a bit of it.

Would you honestly turn down 9 million dollars though? She's spent a lot on her campaign so recoups a bit of it.

 

She sold out. She isn't a progressive.

FiveThirtyEight is deeply depressing today. Here's hoping their numbers are just wildly overreacting to relatively limited data since Saturday (although the most recent polls are showing an alarmingly big swing back to Biden).

 

It's the false hope that kills me. It really seemed for a moment that Bernie was in touching distance of being unstoppable but everything seems to have very rapidly turned against him. I hope if Biden is going to be the nominee after all that it'll at least be a fair and clear win rather than convention shenanigans with Bernie keeping a small plurality but denied the nomination anyway. I have very little hope that Biden beats Trump under any circumstances though. Biden at least feels mildly more palatable compared to the worryingly real prospect of Bloomberg getting it I guess...

 

Also wtf is Elizabeth Warren doing?

I hope that Biden is the nominee as I think he'll be easier for Trump to beat.

 

Trump's already saying "sleepy Joe's so sleepy he doesn't even know which contest he's even supposed to be in at the moment. Never mind they'll wake him up to tell him"

Edited March 3, 20205 yr by Crazy Chris

Hope is the only thing that we have Braylene :'(

FiveThirtyEight is deeply depressing today. Here's hoping their numbers are just wildly overreacting to relatively limited data since Saturday (although the most recent polls are showing an alarmingly big swing back to Biden).

 

It's the false hope that kills me. It really seemed for a moment that Bernie was in touching distance of being unstoppable but everything seems to have very rapidly turned against him. I hope if Biden is going to be the nominee after all that it'll at least be a fair and clear win rather than convention shenanigans with Bernie keeping a small plurality but denied the nomination anyway. I have very little hope that Biden beats Trump under any circumstances though. Biden at least feels mildly more palatable compared to the worryingly real prospect of Bloomberg getting it I guess...

 

Also wtf is Elizabeth Warren doing?

 

She's a Manchurian candidate for the rich and always has been.

 

If they steal it from Bernie, I can see him running Independent and starting a new party.

 

The desperation from the dnc is sickening.

 

If they steal it from Bernie, I can see him running Independent and starting a new party.

 

The desperation from the dnc is sickening.

 

 

No Independent has come anywhere near wining and all he'd do is take votes from Joe and ensure a Trump victory.

 

In fact the last to even win a state was George Wallace in 1968. Ta Wiki.

Edited March 3, 20205 yr by Crazy Chris

No Independent has come anywhere near wining and all he'd do is take votes from Joe and ensure a Trump victory.

 

No independent has ever had the nomination stolen TWICE with massive support plus massive youth support. Bernie would win states, inckudinf Utah. No one would get to 270.

 

Besides, Sleepy Joe has no chance in the general. Why not get a new, nkn-corrupt party out of it? The neoliberal and progressive movements are irreconcilable at this point.

Bernie would win states, inckudinf Utah. No one would get to 270.

 

Latest Utah poll. March 1-2.

 

 

Bloomberg - 29%

Biden -27%

Sanders - 22%

 

He probably won't even win there tonight.

Edited March 3, 20205 yr by Crazy Chris

Where the f*** did you pull that shit poll from?! Bernie is INCREDIBLY BUT INCREDIBLY popular in Utah. They despise centrist establishment democrats. He will win it um TODAY.

Where the f*** did you pull that shit poll from?! Bernie is INCREDIBLY BUT INCREDIBLY popular in Utah. They despise centrist establishment democrats. He will win it um TODAY.

 

 

Five Thirty-Eight. Pollster: Swayable.

 

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/utah/

Edited March 3, 20205 yr by Crazy Chris

First ST exit polls due at 10pm UK time.

Yeah, no. Utah hates establishment democrats.

what is it with you and grave circling white male hyper controlling “progressives”? It’s like a left wing version of Chris at his least tolerable except with the ability to do a confirmation biased google search.

Because the alternative is terrible neoliberal shills like Hillary or Sleepy Joe.

To be fair, Michael is right - Joe Biden is essentially Hillary Clinton 2.0. If the Democrats wants to lose the electoral college again then fair enough, I suppose some of them hate Bernie Sanders and his policies just that much. Much like the centrists and the Liberal Democrats hated Jeremy Corbyn and left wing policies more than Brexit.

Breaking News: Tornado in Tennessee with structural damage in Nashville. Some polling stations damaged and voters re-directed to others. Am watching CNN.

Edited March 3, 20205 yr by Crazy Chris

Breaking: Tornado in Tennessee with structural damage in Nashville. Some polling stations damaged and voters re-directed to others. Am watching CNN.

if it's not a sign that bernie should win then idk what is x

Didn’t say he was completely wrong. But it is possible to be partly right without making me want to carve my eyes out with a rusty dull spoon.

 

Also still doesn’t give you license to dismiss out of hands things that don’t fit your narrative. (Still a little in shock at Chris providing actual relevant and accurate receipts for once)

 

 

I don’t think Sanders is the right answer because I don’t think America is ready for that yet. This is a country that arguably has never been further left than centre-right in modern history. The political institutions aren’t sturdy enough for the change and they’re still too stacked with right wingers not to water down the changes. And that’s without even considering the individual state legislatures and the heavily decentralised way the US operates.

I wouldn't really put much trust in that Swayable Utah poll, they've put out polls from all 14 Super Tuesday states and that one + the Maine poll (which also has Bloomberg in the lead, massively out of line with other polls) are with much smaller sample sizes (and so much larger margins of error) than the other states. Vermont also has a small sample size but the result there isn't even close to in doubt so that's less of an issue. Also Swayable looks to be a pretty new and untested polling organisation, they don't even have a pollster grade on FiveThirtyEight. The couple of other Utah polls (and the 2016 result) indicate Utah should be a win for Bernie. God knows really though, a lot has changed in the last few days.