ICYMI: our final Scottish parliament forecast - as polls close:

 

SNP: 62 MSPs (-1)

CON: 27 (-4)

LAB: 24 (-)

GRN: 11 (+5)

LDEM: 5 (-)

 

Chgs. w/ 2016

65 seats needed for a majority

 

Lovely pro Indy majority there if that's true. Humiliation of "Great" Britain can begin. :cheer:

Labours showing holding up well.

 

The Tories will jump at the fact they didn’t get a majority - let the arguements Begin!

But Green are pro Indy so thats fine.

But you know that’ll be their line of attack. So the Greena take one off the SNP and 4 off the tories according to this?!

But they can pass a resolution in Scottish parliament to ask for a referendum. Who ever votes for it doesn't matter. Johnson will be refusing the will of the people. That will gift more votes for the Indie parties so all good. Shows the desire to leave reactionary England is more than one individual.

 

 

Cmon Greens! First time I changed my vote in a few years

Labours showing holding up well.

 

The Tories will jump at the fact they didn’t get a majority - let the arguements Begin!

Of course they will. They will attempt to gloss over the fact that (if this poll is correct), the SNP will have failed to get a majority under a system specifically designed to minimise the chances of any party getting a majority.

But they can pass a resolution in Scottish parliament to ask for a referendum. Who ever votes for it doesn't matter. Johnson will be refusing the will of the people. That will gift more votes for the Indie parties so all good. Shows the desire to leave reactionary England is more than one individual.

 

Agreed!

A maintenance of the 2016 seat level would be a remarkable result after 3 terms/14years in power. It’s gonna be close and the result won’t be known until deep into Saturday.

 

 

Notable there is still no attempt to even contemplate any possible change in government. Even the noise from every unionist party today is about trying to cling on to the seats they have thanks to unionist tactical voting (my parents did this in our seat) rather than trying to deny that today Scotland woke up and will continue to wake up for the next 5 years to an SNP government

My only gripe with this is if it is an exact rerun of the 2014 referendum in terms of voting eligibility then as a Scot living in England I would have no vote ultimately on my own nationality. I was born in Scotland and lived there until I was a kid and all of my family are Scottish so whatever way you cut it I'm Scottish but I have no say. I get from an administrative point of view it's easier to just to limit it to just those who currently live in Scotland but it doesn't sit right with me.

 

I suppose if it were a win for the SNP I could apply for joint nationality but they better make that application free haha.

My only gripe with this is if it is an exact rerun of the 2014 referendum in terms of voting eligibility then as a Scot living in England I would have no vote ultimately on my own nationality. I was born in Scotland and lived there until I was a kid and all of my family are Scottish so whatever way you cut it I'm Scottish but I have no say. I get from an administrative point of view it's easier to just to limit it to just those who currently live in Scotland but it doesn't sit right with me.

 

I suppose if it were a win for the SNP I could apply for joint nationality but they better make that application free haha.

 

This is what I'm saying!! I really believe in an eternal frachise ... but I aldo want Scotland to break free of eternal Tory rule...

My only gripe with this is if it is an exact rerun of the 2014 referendum in terms of voting eligibility then as a Scot living in England I would have no vote ultimately on my own nationality. I was born in Scotland and lived there until I was a kid and all of my family are Scottish so whatever way you cut it I'm Scottish but I have no say. I get from an administrative point of view it's easier to just to limit it to just those who currently live in Scotland but it doesn't sit right with me.

 

I suppose if it were a win for the SNP I could apply for joint nationality but they better make that application free haha.

 

This is what I'm saying!! I really believe in an eternal frachise ... but I also want Scotland to break free of eternal Tory rule...

Nah, if you choose to move away then you shouldn't get a vote on the country you left. Plus would you expect a vote on your new country? I used to live in London but moved to Bristol - I don't expect a vote for both cities.

I am referring to national elections and referenda. Local votes change with where you are living. America and France both do not strip the franchise.

I don't think it's fair though as it greatly increases the power for people who can afford to live away. Why on earth should one get a vote for a country they don't live in anymore?

Nah, if you choose to move away then you shouldn't get a vote on the country you left. Plus would you expect a vote on your new country? I used to live in London but moved to Bristol - I don't expect a vote for both cities.

Not quite the same I'm afraid. I didn't move countries. I was entirely within Britain at all times (holidays permitting). Also it doesn't follow established rules, even if i moved abroad I would still be eligible to vote in UK elections.

Nah, if you choose to move away then you shouldn't get a vote on the country you left. Plus would you expect a vote on your new country? I used to live in London but moved to Bristol - I don't expect a vote for both cities.

Sorry I didn't respond to your second point. It would depend on what happened to my status post independence. If I became Scottish then I would expect a vote in Scotland. If I remained British then no I wouldn't expect one. My point is we aren't there yet and furthermore I have no say on the question on something which is fundamental to me and my identity, ultimately it would change anyway if that's what the majority wanted in a referendum and I may not agree with that but at least I've participated in my own fate.

The Lib Dems have won Orkney in the day's first result from Scotland.

 

STOP THE COUNT.

This argument is so f***ing dumb your own logic defeats your point. If you didn’t move countries, which is what you say, then you’d be voting on a local issue and thus not entitled to a vote. Even if you did move countries, you’re still not entitled to a vote. The 2014 Indy ref wasn’t open to Scots abroad. Only those resident within Scotland at the Time + members of the military or civil service ordinarily resident in Scotland that were overseas on duty at the time were able to vote.

 

 

Honestly bored of unionists trying to alter the franchise to stack it in their favour because they can’t offer even a base level positive case for continued union. Indyref2 should be a rerun of 2014 with the same franchise. That’s democratic. If you don’t like no havin a vote, then move back to Scotland. Otherwise, you made your bed and can lie in it. (He says quite pointedly from Germany and thus outwith the franchise for indyref2)

 

 

As far as nationality goes, page 273 of the Indy white paper from the 2014 ref states that anyone born in Scotland and/or habitually resident at time of Indy would automatically become Scottish. How that holds into indyref2 is unknown but i can’t imagine this is an area of the white paper that would deviate