"I'm contemplating yelling 'bombs away' on the game / Like I'm outside of an Ariana Grande concert waiting."

 

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1 sentence is not a whole album

I mean he is already getting a ton of backlash pretty much everywhere on the Internet / in the media, he's hardly 'got away with it'. Not going to end his career or anything but has anyone's career ever ended because of a controversial lyric? Artists these days are sustaining careers through being actual murderers, a crass lyric or two (this is not even the first time Eminem has referenced the Ariana bombing, I knew this controversy felt familiar!) is nothing in comparison.

 

Edgy offensive lyrics has been Eminem's schtick since day 1, it's very disappointing that he still feels the need to do it now but ultimately it's nothing new, I don't see it putting off anyone who wasn't already disgusted by the lyrics on his older songs. I'm sure at this point he just does it to get people talking about his new music. And it's worked again.

 

Hopefully he's at least finally over using homophobic slurs in his music (I've not seen anyone pointing out any on the new album). The song causing the controversy this time is even a collaboration with a lesbian rapper.

I think the point Jonjo is trying to make is that his career won't really suffer despite the media coverage, he'll still get a relatively decent selling album, the Ed Sheeran song will be a hit and it'll all be forgotten soon.

 

Whereas the likes of Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus have been criticised for much much less and still have their names tainted and their overall success has been impacted as a result. Just because he's getting bad media backlash doesn't mean anything in the long term, and just because there's others doing worse, doesn't really make this okay.

 

Why should we be thankful that only now he's learnt not to use homophobic slurs?! How laughable.

 

I'm sorry, but this was a very poor take.

1 sentence is not a whole album

And yet one sentence can also offend people who have been victims of a terrorist attack. Stop simplifying things and making it sound trivial.

I'm so bored of defending things like this on BuzzJack. Let me log out again.

And yet one sentence can also offend people who have been victims of a terrorist attack. Stop simplifying things and making it sound trivial.

 

 

No-one's forcing anyone to listen to it or buy it though.

No-one's forcing anyone to listen to it or buy it though.

That's not really the point at all?? I would never listen to his music. It's more to do with the fact that I know people who are fans of his who have been affected, do you know how triggering that can be to someone who has been involved in something as awful as a terrorist attack when they listen to his music?

 

I know people can't even listen to 'One Last Time' for instance because of the circumstances attached to it. It's just disrespectful.

I think the point Jonjo is trying to make is that his career won't really suffer despite the media coverage, he'll still get a relatively decent selling album, the Ed Sheeran song will be a hit and it'll all be forgotten soon.

 

Whereas the likes of Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus have been criticised for much much less and still have their names tainted and their overall success has been impacted as a result. Just because he's getting bad media backlash doesn't mean anything in the long term, and just because there's others doing worse, doesn't really make this okay.

 

Why should we be thankful that only now he's learnt not to use homophobic slurs?! How laughable.

 

I'm sorry, but this was a very poor take.

Yep.

 

Also, I've seen press reports reporting it, but I'm yet to come across any that have called him out on it. It's all "has he gone too far?" or "Eminem uses Manchester Bombings attack in his lyrics" etc.. I'm sure I'll come across some in the next 24 hours, but his media portrayal is so much different to those who have done far less (as Jack stated) it's really annoying. A lot of the comments are defending him just coz they regard him as "a rap legend".

I'm so bored of defending things like this on BuzzJack. Let me log out again.

Don't please. You're needed!!

That's not really the point at all?? I would never listen to his music. It's more to do with the fact that I know people who are fans of his who have been affected, do you know how triggering that can be to someone who has been involved in something as awful as a terrorist attack when they listen to his music?

 

I know people can't even listen to 'One Last Time' for instance because of the circumstances attached to it. It's just disrespectful.

 

 

Well now they know what that track's about they can skip it. Better they're pre-warned isn't it? He's always been controversial. If you don't even listen to his music why are you even bothered or posting about him?

Edited January 17, 20205 yr by Crazy Chris

Well now they know what that track's about they can skip it. Better they're pre-warned isn't it? He's always been controversial. If you don't even listen to his music why are you even bothered or posting about him?

It's like talking to a brick wall, even reading that lyric and know people are making light of such a horrific situation is very triggering to people and makes them feel belittled. I'm posting about him because I moderate this forum and I am passionate about people not being offended, I wouldn't want anyone reading this to think we share the same views as him.

 

People's children died Chris, I would expect you to have SOME empathy in this situation.

It's so tiring that we just keep getting "but xyz said/did worse!!" "you don't have to listen to it", like ok? You can ignore everything bad going on in the world but that doesn't mean it should all still happen.

 

For someone who supposedly has so much "talent", you'd think he could just write decent lyrics instead of disgusting ones for a bit of shock value. When it's an event that devastated a whole city, a whole country, so many people are going to be a bit sensitive about being reminded of it, let alone in a way that's so flippant and makes light of it. There's being controversial and there's just being utterly disgusting.

To even think of using that tragic event and using that in an lyric is sheer stupidity. To make light of it for entertainment is just disgusting.

Eminem: let me namedrop 20 people in ONE song and include something about terrorism real quick RIGHT at the beginning of the album. sO cOnTrOvErSiAl LiKe!!1!

 

 

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Such a standard ploy for media attention I am not even a TINY bit surprised.

 

Thank u next BITCH

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear but I'm absolutely not defending him, it's pretty sad and pathetic that Eminem still feels the need to do things like this for publicity. I'm just saying it's sadly not surprising if this doesn't really impact his career much now, because it's nothing new from him, he's been doing the same crass and offensive things for 2 decades. I'd love for him to just slide into irrelevance now but that's not the world we live in.

 

Him not using homophobic slurs any more is a step in the right direction (and hopefully a sign that the media backlash against him last time around did actually make a difference), I didn't bring that up as if to excuse him for other offensive things he's said or indeed for using them as recently as he still was, or to say that it should be celebrated, it's a pretty bare minimum thing - it's a small side remark to the main point of my post that I shouldn't have made so flippantly, I apologise.

 

I don't think some media backlash over controversial lyrics is ever going to cause artists' careers to completely end, if that's what Jonjo meant by him 'getting away with it' then I agree, I just thought that post was kind of making out as if it had gone by nearly unnoticed.

 

For what it's worth - and I'm not denying that there are mixed standards and lesser things have impacted other artists more! - Eminem is not as big as he used to be either, his albums still pull in decent numbers (but they're not nearly as dominant of the market as he was at his peak) but he doesn't really have huge hit singles like he used to, he generally peaks high but falls off quickly. 'River' is his only really major hit in the UK since 2013 and that was more down to Ed than him (and even then it's arguable if it can really be compared to how big his singles used to be, it had a longer run in the top 10 than his other recent hits but fell very quickly after that). And even that flopped pretty badly in the US (not sure how it did in other countries). Out of the examples Jack gave I'd say Eminem's career decline has been pretty comparable to if not worse than that of Taylor Swift, both of them are still big artists albeit not as massively dominant as they have been in the past.

Well now they know what that track's about they can skip it. Better they're pre-warned isn't it? He's always been controversial. If you don't even listen to his music why are you even bothered or posting about him?

what other controversial thing do you feel the need to apologise for? because you've been doing it a LOT lately. i just don't get your motivation. is it for the sake of going against the grain?

 

you don't tend to think from other people's perspective most of the times so let me rephrase that. would you REALLY be okay if he made your daughter's death a subject in one of the songs in such a disrespectful and disgusting manner aka using tragedy to make money?

Edited January 17, 20205 yr by SausageDestroyer

he's trolling, don't even bother

I hate this attitude of "that's just him though lol!", well maybe so but he still deserves to be called out on this shit. Pop girls get cancelled and dragged for not apologising on BEHALF of men yet men can say and do whatever they want and nothing really happens.

 

Yes he's getting backlash online but it's nothing like what I saw for say, Nicki Minaj when all she did was call out Travis for being a bit tacky.

 

It's madness to me the double standards in this industry are absolutely horrendous and if we don't call it out nothing will change.

Those lyrics referencing the Manchester bombing... :blink:

 

I mean Eminem hasn't made good music for many years now but he can truly f*** right off if he thinks that is in any way acceptable :mellow:

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear but I'm absolutely not defending him, it's pretty sad and pathetic that Eminem still feels the need to do things like this for publicity. I'm just saying it's sadly not surprising if this doesn't really impact his career much now, because it's nothing new from him, he's been doing the same crass and offensive things for 2 decades. I'd love for him to just slide into irrelevance now but that's not the world we live in.

 

Him not using homophobic slurs any more is a step in the right direction (and hopefully a sign that the media backlash against him last time around did actually make a difference), I didn't bring that up as if to excuse him for other offensive things he's said or indeed for using them as recently as he still was, or to say that it should be celebrated, it's a pretty bare minimum thing - it's a small side remark to the main point of my post that I shouldn't have made so flippantly, I apologise.

 

I don't think some media backlash over controversial lyrics is ever going to cause artists' careers to completely end, if that's what Jonjo meant by him 'getting away with it' then I agree, I just thought that post was kind of making out as if it had gone by nearly unnoticed.

 

For what it's worth - and I'm not denying that there are mixed standards and lesser things have impacted other artists more! - Eminem is not as big as he used to be either, his albums still pull in decent numbers (but they're not nearly as dominant of the market as he was at his peak) but he doesn't really have huge hit singles like he used to, he generally peaks high but falls off quickly. 'River' is his only really major hit in the UK since 2013 and that was more down to Ed than him (and even then it's arguable if it can really be compared to how big his singles used to be, it had a longer run in the top 10 than his other recent hits but fell very quickly after that). And even that flopped pretty badly in the US (not sure how it did in other countries). Out of the examples Jack gave I'd say Eminem's career decline has been pretty comparable to if not worse than that of Taylor Swift, both of them are still big artists albeit not as massively dominant as they have been in the past.

I want to make my point clear too, I know you as a poster and I know exactly how you meant it. I knew you wasn't defending him or anything. Sorry, if it came off that way. :lol:

Yeah thanks for clarifying Bre! I'm sorry for maybe getting overly defensive with your post and I see what you mean now.