October 16, 20204 yr The EU's economy is not bigger than the USA or China's. The EU dropped behind China the moment the UK left their ass earlier this year. If you're going to dish out facts, at least try to know what you are talking about. x The UK represents 2.2 trillion, or at least it did. I doubt this would have made it fall below BOTH China and the USA. Please provide us with these new figures, because it sounds like they differ to mine? Or is this just you ASSUMING it dropped below them? And even considering that it DID, thanks to undemocratic Tory machinations forcing the UK out of thr single market against the people's wishes, it would still dwarf every other country except China and the United States and still have greater power projection than one, plus an incredibly strong cultural prescence which would mean ............... what's the word again? Superpower x Also, if you want to talk facts, please look at the size of the UK population, landmass, and economy, and tell us how that will get it more favourable deals than what it could get within the EU x The roll-over Japanese deal is already worse, and that is the best the Brexit lot can brag about.
October 16, 20204 yr This is entirely dependent on the rather pop international relations definition of superpower. There's no fixed definition. The EU is certainly considered by most IR scholars to be an emergent economic superpower, probably the top candidate after China. Combining your markets like that really does a lot for strength. not that this dick-waving about size on the world stage really means anything to the Brexit debate, it's the UK's closest and most convenient trading partner now so it'd be a good idea to be on good trading terms with them. In reality, even China is not a superpower, potentially an emerging superpower until COVID which has turned the world pretty much against them. The only superpower in the world is the USA. Land of the free and home of the brave.
October 16, 20204 yr Funny to think that EU hasn't helped Gammy Britain to become as strong of an economy as it is... sorry, it was... lmao
October 16, 20204 yr Recent signings and agreements of free trade deals with Ukraine, Japan, and the Ivory Coast. Japan's deal due to be officially signed next Friday in Tokyo by Liz Truss. The UK will be Global Britain, the UK is so much more than the dying EU project. Such an amazing effort managing to do deals with the 3 biggest economies and super powers in the world!
October 16, 20204 yr Recent signings and agreements of free trade deals with Ukraine, Japan, and the Ivory Coast. Japan's deal due to be officially signed next Friday in Tokyo by Liz Truss. The UK will be Global Britain, the UK is so much more than the dying EU project. You haven't answered the question. You have also completely ignored the fact that the deal with Japan has stricter rules on state subsidies than those imposed by the EU. I somehow doubt it would take long to itemise the trade we do with Ukraine and Ivory Coast,
October 16, 20204 yr The UK represents 2.2 trillion, or at least it did. I doubt this would have made it fall below BOTH China and the USA. Please provide us with these new figures, because it sounds like they differ to mine? Or is this just you ASSUMING it dropped below them? And even considering that it DID, thanks to undemocratic Tory machinations forcing the UK out of thr single market against the people's wishes, it would still dwarf every other country except China and the United States and still have greater power projection than one, plus an incredibly strong cultural prescence which would mean ............... what's the word again? Superpower x I don't assume, I leave that nonsense to you guys. The IMF has released new estimate figures this month, USA - 2O.8 trillion China 15.2 trillion The EU project - 14.9 trillion. Also as you can see, the EU project has never been in front of the USA's economy, that was a lie from EU propagandists I suspect.
October 16, 20204 yr I have strong suspicion they are making a deal with Ukraine because it has a UK in its name. Do Brexitheads even know where Ukraine is?
October 16, 20204 yr I have strong suspicion they are making a deal with Ukraine because it has a UK in its name. Do Brexitheads even know where Ukraine is? As far away from Russia hopefully. The UK will be a VERY loyal ally to Ukraine once the UK is out of the transition period at the end of this year. Both countries understand Russia very well. Edited October 16, 20204 yr by PeaceMob
October 16, 20204 yr In reality, even China is not a superpower, potentially an emerging superpower until COVID which has turned the world pretty much against them. The only superpower in the world is the USA. Land of the free and home of the brave. I'm pretty sure the articles you're reading are about 10 years out of date back when all of the IR field was busy eating up every neoliberal line in the book about how US interventionism will save the world. Unipolarity America-centric theory is a dying trend. With those figures you've just given from the IMF, how can you say that the US is the only superpower? They're not uncatchable by any means, China, the EU and Russia for that matter have the international clout to affect other states worldwide. China's buying up half of Africa etc.
October 16, 20204 yr It's the EU that want to throw away a deal over UK fishing waters. The UK is protecting their natural resources like any normal country would. Most of the fish that UK fishers sell within the UK is caught outside UK waters. Most of the fish caught in UK waters is sold to the EU-27 because British consumers don't want to eat it. The current arrangements, therefore, make perfect sense. UK fishers could have had even more fishing rights but they sold them for a quick buck instead.
October 16, 20204 yr Most of the fish that UK fishers sell within the UK is caught outside UK waters. Most of the fish caught in UK waters is sold to the EU-27 because British consumers don't want to eat it. The current arrangements, therefore, make perfect sense. UK fishers could have had even more fishing rights but they sold them for a quick buck instead. British fishermen and women, and coastal towns have been ruined by the vile Common Fisheries Policy from the EU, how dare you take the side of the EU on this.
October 16, 20204 yr I don't assume, I leave that nonsense to you guys. The IMF has released new estimate figures this month, USA - 2O.8 trillion China 15.2 trillion The EU project - 14.9 trillion. The UK Project (with Scotland and Wales still included): 2.2 trillion. Also as you can see, the EU project has never been in front of the USA's economy, that was a lie from EU propagandists I suspect. Surely you can see, then, that the EU STILL RIVALS China and the USA without England? The damage Scotland will do to England's economy when it leaves will make the UK's economy shrink drastically from 2.2 trillion, as well. 17 trillion vs 2 trillion. Leaving aside the fact that the UK CANNIT GET DEALS AS GOOD AS IT CAN WITHIN THE EU SUPERPOWER, the fact that you want to ignore an ENTIRE CONTINENT - which just happens to be your CLOSEST CONTINENT - and instead increase world pollution by trying to trade with countries further away - and in the case of USA food, for inferior quality - flies in the face of global realities. It's mind-boggling. Even when the UK had its empire, it still conducted a lot of trade with the rest of Europe!
October 16, 20204 yr I'm pretty sure the articles you're reading are about 10 years out of date back when all of the IR field was busy eating up every neoliberal line in the book about how US interventionism will save the world. Unipolarity America-centric theory is a dying trend. With those figures you've just given from the IMF, how can you say that the US is the only superpower? They're not uncatchable by any means, China, the EU and Russia for that matter have the international clout to affect other states worldwide. China's buying up half of Africa etc. The USA is the only superpower in the world. It's not just their economy, their soft power, their military capabilities, Silicon Valley, New York's financial centre. No country or some useless EU federal project can touch the USA.
October 16, 20204 yr As far away from Russia hopefully. The UK will be a VERY loyal ally to Ukraine once the UK is out of the transition period at the end of this year. Both countries understand Russia very well. See now if only there were a rather large collection of states in between the UK and Ukraine who were also interested in keeping Ukraine out of Russia's sphere of influence... maybe you could do a trade deal with them as well, get them on side... British fishermen and women, and coastal towns have been ruined by the vile Common Fisheries Policy from the EU, how dare you take the side of the EU on this. What regulations do you support Britain having to prevent overfishing and depletion of North Sea stocks?
October 16, 20204 yr As far away from Russia hopefully. The UK will be a VERY loyal ally to Ukraine once the UK is out of the transition period at the end of this year. Both countries understand Russia very well. Do you mean to involve the UK in its civil war? A very loyal ally would do that.
October 16, 20204 yr Do you mean to involve the UK in its civil war? A very loyal ally would do that. The UK will help build Ukraine back up when the EU transition period is over at the end of this year, and Ukraine WILL get Crimea back eventually, no matter how long it takes.
October 16, 20204 yr You haven't answered the question. You have also completely ignored the fact that the deal with Japan has stricter rules on state subsidies than those imposed by the EU. I somehow doubt it would take long to itemise the trade we do with Ukraine and Ivory Coast, I have noticed this point seems to get ignored by Brexit supporters.
October 16, 20204 yr See now if only there were a rather large collection of states in between the UK and Ukraine who were also interested in keeping Ukraine out of Russia's sphere of influence... maybe you could do a trade deal with them as well, get them on side... What regulations do you support Britain having to prevent overfishing and depletion of North Sea stocks? No thanks, the EU took an age to decide whether to sanction Belarus's Lukashenko, whereas the UK and Canada were in agreement immediately and went a lot further and quicker in hurting Belarus's cronies than the EU project did.
October 16, 20204 yr The UK will help build Ukraine back up when the EU transition period is over at the end of this year, and Ukraine WILL get Crimea back eventually, no matter how long it takes. Is that a yes or a no? If no, how do you suppose it will be VERY loyal?
October 16, 20204 yr I have noticed this point seems to get ignored by Brexit supporters. Because it's fake news. It comes from an FT article which used a clickbait headline whereas if you read the details which is behind a paywall then you will discover the headline is misleading. Edited October 16, 20204 yr by PeaceMob
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