He did exactly the same thing in Georgia 10 years ago!

It appears the invasion has begun in earnest in the early hours of Ukraine's morning.

I'm incredibly uneasy.

 

And already upset about the senseless loss of lives for no reason. Just because a little boy who never grew up wants to throw toys around.

 

No doubt the one in number 10 will do f all today about it.

No level of sanctions will stop him until Kyiv falls and Ukraine is part of Russia against the will of all Ukrainians. This is 1930s and we are rewatching Hitler. Nobody wants a 3rd World War in the west but Russia woke up this morning and chose violence. The illegitimate regime in Belarus is also assisting in the war on Ukraine. If we appease this now with measly “sanctions” then there’s not a single NATO/EU state in the east that will be safe

 

Chinas quiet is extremely unnerving. If I was Taiwan I’d be shitting bricks right now because I wouldn’t be surprised if they were next while Russia was distracting the world in Ukraine.

 

 

Russia needs to be economically destroyed as a consequence, and any regime that finances it or props it up needs the same sanctions. Full trade blockades, completely cut off from financial markets and technology. Then when China steps in, do exactly the same to their finances and enact a complete trade embargo. Both will hurt the west quite severely but if you want to avoid troops on the ground then you have to destroy these countries from within by having the people turn on the government and their military conscripts desert their posts.

i honestly don’t see us getting involved

Well, can't be long until I discover if I'm too old to be conscripted to the inevitable global war.

No level of sanctions will stop him until Kyiv falls and Ukraine is part of Russia against the will of all Ukrainians. This is 1930s and we are rewatching Hitler. Nobody wants a 3rd World War in the west but Russia woke up this morning and chose violence. The illegitimate regime in Belarus is also assisting in the war on Ukraine. If we appease this now with measly “sanctions” then there’s not a single NATO/EU state in the east that will be safe

 

Chinas quiet is extremely unnerving. If I was Taiwan I’d be shitting bricks right now because I wouldn’t be surprised if they were next while Russia was distracting the world in Ukraine.

Russia needs to be economically destroyed as a consequence, and any regime that finances it or props it up needs the same sanctions. Full trade blockades, completely cut off from financial markets and technology. Then when China steps in, do exactly the same to their finances and enact a complete trade embargo. Both will hurt the west quite severely but if you want to avoid troops on the ground then you have to destroy these countries from within by having the people turn on the government and their military conscripts desert their posts.

 

 

As a Finn (we fought in a WW2 against Russia) have to agree with this. Putin has Belarus on his side and probably Hungary and China too, although the latter two will not most likely do military actions against Europe but rather act elsewhere and support Russia financially.

 

What I find interesting is that the Russian people don't seem to support the attack at all so Putin needs to be quick with it. The longer it takes, the worse his position gets.

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The West got fooled into thinking that arse-licking anti-democratic nations for financial benefits was going to be a good idea, that they would have something to lose if they were naughty. I have believed for years that letting Russia and China getting a financial hold over the UK and EU was a bad idea.

 

Russia has prepared to go it alone for years, and sowed seeds of discontent in the West easy as piss while he was plotting, supporting movements that saw democratic allies as enemies. His number one plan (Trump) didn't come off, so he's taken another route.

 

People never learn, are easily distracted, swallow propaganda, especially when a flag is used as the excuse.

 

Never trust anything rich and powerful people say on face value. Compare what they say with what they do.

Chinas quiet is extremely unnerving. If I was Taiwan I’d be shitting bricks right now because I wouldn’t be surprised if they were next while Russia was distracting the world in Ukraine.

My boyfriend is Taiwanese and thinks his family should get out.

Sad day and what is most un-nevering about all this, is all political and strategic commentators (at least in the public) didn't expect it to play out this way at all. Russia is seemingly about 4 or 5 steps ahead of the West and nobody wants a full on land war. Russia's sphere of influence is so great that the West are ultimately powerless. The sanctions are a good start, but I highly doubt this will be a long war.

What I find interesting is that the Russian people don't seem to support the attack.

 

It's lie. Over 80 % (maybe even more) Russians support the independence of Donbass.

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Chinas quiet is extremely unnerving. If I was Taiwan I’d be shitting bricks right now because I wouldn’t be surprised if they were next while Russia was distracting the world in Ukraine.

 

This is from today... sounds like 'this is the status quo, Taiwan, you are and have always been a part of China, you had better not do anything', as if the small island would do anything against the mainland:

 

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202202/24/W...d39bc889ab.html

 

Russia should face every sanction imaginable. I am very fearful for everyone in Ukraine right now, those I know, and those I don't. There's someone I speak to online (through vtuber appreciation) who lives in Eastern Ukraine, he's always calling it a shithole but I am worried for him, we spoke about it a few days ago and I can imagine that with the world being so interconnected that many people will know someone affected. War like this should be a thing of the past.

It's lie. Over 80 % (maybe even more) Russians support the independence of Donbass.

 

I don't my linking abilities to hand right now but give us a source! That is almost certainly not correct. The rallies I saw in Donetsk to 'celebrate Russian protection' were tiny, the ones in Kyiv outside the Russian embassy were huge.

 

The Donbas region is rightfully part of Ukraine, as is Crimea, as is the whole rest of the country. Russia has no right to be invading and should leave Ukraine's territory immediately.

Whatever Russia says, the truth is probably the opposite lol

I don't know how to feel about this.

 

I don't have an allegiance to countries. If I was in charge I would probably say take it so there wasn't bloodshed. I don't *super* understand the issue unless people are being forced to stay within the borders of whoever owns the new place and not move, or if their lives are going to meaningfully change from the one to the other.

 

It all seems such a petty reason for people to be getting hurt and losing their lives.

The Donbas region is rightfully part of Ukraine, as is Crimea, as is the whole rest of the country. Russia has no right to be invading and should leave Ukraine's territory immediately.

 

I talked not about a population of Ukraine or Donbass, but about the citizens of Russia. So you can't blame Putin for it, "the independence of Donbas region" is more like a wish of the majority. If Crimea is Ukraine for you, so Kosovo is a part of Serbia, who was invaded by NATO troops under US leadership.

 

My position is very simple : I'm against pro-Nazi Ukrainians, but don't support the independence of Donbas too.

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The situation is extremely concerning but unfortunately Putin is a major threat to any peace, stability or democracy in this world. He lives by his own rules of violence and intimidation. I read in the Guardian today that Trump has referred to him as a ‘genius’ for moving troops into eastern Ukraine.

I don't know how to feel about this.

 

I don't have an allegiance to countries. If I was in charge I would probably say take it so there wasn't bloodshed. I don't *super* understand the issue unless people are being forced to stay within the borders of whoever owns the new place and not move, or if their lives are going to meaningfully change from the one to the other.

 

It all seems such a petty reason for people to be getting hurt and losing their lives.

 

The Russian culture is very different to the Ukranian culture. Straight away you lose democracy and the right of free speech, so even though people would be able to stay in their homes, their lives would change and any major dissidents will be tortured, imprisoned or executed. Don't think Putin would waltz in to any of the Baltic states if they are under NATO membership, but if you keep on appeasing Putin who knows what will happen next. For all we know the next Putin waiting in line for succession could be even worse.

I talked not about a population of Ukraine or Donbass, but about the citizens of Russia. So you can't blame Putin for it, "the independence of Donbas region" is more like a wish of the majority. If Crimea is Ukraine for you, so Kosovo is a part of Serbia, who was invaded by NATO troops under US leadership.

 

My position is very simple : I'm against pro-Nazi Ukrainians, but don't support the independence of Donbas too.

 

And I also do not trust what is reported as the wishes of the Russian population and you should not either. You cannot trust them in a state where people are afraid to speak out against the government.

 

Crimea and Kosovo are not remotely comparable either - for one thing, Kosovo wasn't used in a political power game; annexed to a larger nation state because they, Russia, could and no one was willing to stop them.

 

Russia's leadership is further right and more comparable to the Nazis than Ukraine's leadership, jesus.

 

The Russian culture is very different to the Ukranian culture. Straight away you lose democracy and the right of free speech, so even though people would be able to stay in their homes, their lives would change and any major dissidents will be tortured, imprisoned or executed. Don't think Putin would waltz in to any of the Baltic states if they are under NATO membership, but if you keep on appeasing Putin who knows what will happen next. For all we know the next Putin waiting in line for succession could be even worse.

 

I imagine that if successful and undeterred by what he's doing in Ukraine, talks will begin with Lukashenko to try and reintegrate Belarus, as well as Kazakhstan's beleaguered leadership, at least make them both essentially vassal states, although I suppose you could describe them as such already.

 

After that it's possible that he's still itchy and he may start finding some areas along the Baltic borders that speak Russian, more 'I'm not invading, we just have concerns' shit. NATO/the West's response must be economic and it has to hit Russia hard.