Ukraine have been very impressive in defending their country, so far this is definitely not going to plan for the evil Nazi Putin and his followers.

 

As every day goes by, the world wants to see Ukraine win this war, Russia is a pariah country which they deserve for dragging the European continent to this point.

Kyiv held the night, again. The imperialists have found a lot more resistance than they expected. But a lot of the captured invaders appear to be young conscripts. Little worrying, what are they holding back and for whom

 

Holding back is a large part of warfare - you need healthy armed forces to replace your inevitable losses. If they went in all guns blazing and took the place in a few days against the current level of insurgency the loss of life would be great, Russia probably wants to avoid drafting in people aren't already part of their military into this conflict to fight (as despite the claims to the outside world, they know many Russians feel its not worth it over a territorial dispute). And yes, they probably also have armed forces staged near NATO countries that border Russia as a buffer against NATO going too far in assisting Ukraine.

 

 

Putin and his generals don't care what the PEOPLE want. Otherwise he wouldn't do all the lying, propaganda bullshit, preventing people accessing social media etc.

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Holding back is a large part of warfare - you need healthy armed forces to replace your inevitable losses. If they went in all guns blazing and took the place in a few days against the current level of insurgency the loss of life would be great, Russia probably wants to avoid drafting in people aren't already part of their military into this conflict to fight (as despite the claims to the outside world, they know many Russians feel its not worth it over a territorial dispute). And yes, they probably also have armed forces staged near NATO countries that border Russia as a buffer against NATO going too far in assisting Ukraine.

 

I do think sending in untrained soldiers with valuable tanks is a bit of a tactical misfire though, so either they really all are unmotivated to be getting into this war or they made a mistake losing all the hardware they have so far. Might be different troops, but I do get the sense that there's not exactly a GLUT of battle-hardened Russian troops in Ukraine or even in reserve.

 

And a blitzkrieg would have been far better for them than any long-play, time is against Russia, with every passing day they become more of an international pariah, Ukrainian troops bunker down in more fortified positions, and the ground becomes less firm in all of Ukraine's wetlands.

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This seems like a good thread on Putin and his aims — and mistakes. I have been trying to wrap my head around it all week.

That's a good thread, thanks for sharing!

A Russian cargo ship has been seized in the English Channel.

 

 

A Russian cargo ship has been seized in the Channel by France.

:unsure: He might like Russia and Putin, but he certainly doesn't like China!

 

He got into a public strop, but the Trump family empire has loads of cash and business in China, just like Putin. Follow the money.....

Various European countries, including those such as Poland who have proved very reluctant to accept refugees in the past, are stating that they will welcome Ukrainian refugees. The UK isn't. Indeed, the UK has stopped issuing visas to Ukrainians. This is what we have become under Johnson, Mogg, Patel et al.

 

Not to mention all the billionaire Russians and businesses based in the UK that are not getting sanctioned, but are by the USA. I wouldn't believe a word that a member of the Tory government said, they have proved to be consistent liars about everything. "we've put sanctions against a hundred Russians" = 4 or 5. Makes one wonder if they're frightened one of them will say something about financial or political support to the Tory Party if they upset them.....

 

Friends of the rich and powerful, not giving a toss about people in need. Who coulda guessed?!

It’s a lot easier for Poland to agree to Ukrainian refugees in comparison to say people from outside of Europe due to the geopolitical arguement and anti Russian feeling in their countries as well as the fact Ukrainians and this part of Eastern Europe are their people on the most part the ethnicities are so complex and intertwined.

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Theres a lot of talk about hybrid warfare and the information war. Typically with its army of bots this is something we consider Russia to be good and strong at

 

 

 

Hahahahahahaha not any f***ing more. They’ve been outflanked and outmanoeuvred every step of the way. First by the Americans literally publishing all the Intel to the worlds media. And now Ukraine is dominating the information war online.

 

 

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I don’t think you can argue any longer about the Ukraines place in the world. It’s in NATO. It’s in the EU. It’s in Europe.

Various European countries, including those such as Poland who have proved very reluctant to accept refugees in the past, are stating that they will welcome Ukrainian refugees. The UK isn't. Indeed, the UK has stopped issuing visas to Ukrainians. This is what we have become under Johnson, Mogg, Patel et al.

 

I mean the UK is refusing refugees on the same basis that these countrys have previously refused refugees 'first safe country'.

 

Poland is the first safe country for many Ukranians, the UK is the other side of Europe.

Theres a lot of talk about hybrid warfare and the information war. Typically with its army of bots this is something we consider Russia to be good and strong at

Hahahahahahaha not any f***ing more. They’ve been outflanked and outmanoeuvred every step of the way. First by the Americans literally publishing all the Intel to the worlds media. And now Ukraine is dominating the information war online.

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I don’t think you can argue any longer about the Ukraines place in the world. It’s in NATO. It’s in the EU. It’s in Europe.

 

It's neither in NATO or the EU, if it was Vladimir Putin would have not attacked it as he'd have known the amount of resistance he would have faced would have been far greater than simple 'military aid', if we decide that Ukraine is NATO territory we're obliged to send western armies, are you prepared to risk thousands and thousands of young mens lives for the sake of a single country in a war that could last generations?

 

I'm honestly scared by some people's almost enjoyment at the idea of this escalating into a full scale Russia-NATO war. The whole purpose of providing military assistance in Ukraine is to prevent the kind of ground war that many seem to be licking their lips at on here. Do you really want to send your son, your brother or your dad to die when Putin's not got enough troops on the ground to occupy the whole of Ukraine and will struggle to maintain the area east of the river? Of course should there be a genuine threat to a NATO country, I like many others will encourage the government to and personally do whatever I can to defend that territory (including should medical exemptions be relaxed as has happened in previous wars, go and fight) , but if NATO makes the first move in sending troops to Ukraine that would be a significant political miscalculation and play straight into Putin's hands - that's why it's not been done.

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It’s not just a “territory”, it’s a country with real people.

I mean the UK is refusing refugees on the same basis that these countrys have previously refused refugees 'first safe country'.

 

Poland is the first safe country for many Ukranians, the UK is the other side of Europe.

That’s one (pathetic) way to justify UK’s xenophobia and racism. And it’s sad to see someone justifying or pretending this is even a way to go in our current globalised world.

 

Also, will Poland be able to take ALL the refugees? Of course not.

It's neither in NATO or the EU, if it was Vladimir Putin would have not attacked it as he'd have known the amount of resistance he would have faced would have been far greater than simple 'military aid', if we decide that Ukraine is NATO territory we're obliged to send western armies, are you prepared to risk thousands and thousands of young mens lives for the sake of a single country in a war that could last generations?

 

I'm honestly scared by some people's almost enjoyment at the idea of this escalating into a full scale Russia-NATO war. The whole purpose of providing military assistance in Ukraine is to prevent the kind of ground war that many seem to be licking their lips at on here. Do you really want to send your son, your brother or your dad to die when Putin's not got enough troops on the ground to occupy the whole of Ukraine and will struggle to maintain the area east of the river? Of course should there be a genuine threat to a NATO country, I like many others will encourage the government to and personally do whatever I can to defend that territory (including should medical exemptions be relaxed as has happened in previous wars, go and fight) , but if NATO makes the first move in sending troops to Ukraine that would be a significant political miscalculation and play straight into Putin's hands - that's why it's not been done.

Fully aware of what alliances the Ukraine is a member of. Would like to invite you to re-read. „…can no longer argue about the ukraines PLACE in the world. IT (ie The Ukraines place) is in NATO. IT (again, the ukraines place) is in the EU.“ and now you’ve re-read and hopefully actually understood my point you can withdraw the words you’re trying to put in my mouth

 

The only thing I want is the Russians to return to Russia and if they need a little help to find their way back over the border, then we should be giving it

That’s one (pathetic) way to justify UK’s xenophobia and racism. And it’s sad to see someone justifying or pretending this is even a way to go in our current globalised world.

 

Also, will Poland be able to take ALL the refugees? Of course not.

You’re right it’s absolutely disgusting

 

 

The first refugees have arrived in Berlin. The state is appealing for folks to help with translation and form filling currently.

While I find the racism in receiving refugees and immigrants disgusting, it seems that every country is willing to help Ukraine here. The war is not justified in ANY MEANS and all countries agree on that and thus they are happy to help. In Finland, we have space for thousands of refugees already and will find more if needed.

Almost every country. The UK is claiming to but is making it so difficult it would be easier to get asylum anywhere else on earth